open and close eyed visuals

[maynardsdick]

Hi there.

Every time I have tripped, which has been infrequent for the past few years, I have expereinced totally engulfing, beautiful close eyed visuals, the type of visuals that would put any screen saver to shame.

i am particularly sensitive to the sacred mushroom, and it usually only takes 1.5 grams or more to induce CEV. i don't have to will any visions, they simply always come as part of the trip. i feel blessed to be able to see them, because i know some people can't.

this last trip, i was on the brink of ego dissolution. i've been to that place twice before, and both times were too intense to remember. both times i didn't know who or what i was, or whether i was alive or dead. for all purposes, i went insane.

but there has been something common between those two transcendant trips and my most recent one. that is, my CEV and OEV are one and the same. the OEV simply fragment what i see into the screen saver type of visuals, but then when i close my eyes, the visuals are then filled with beautiful, vivid colors.

so i guess my question is: what are these visuals a representation of? is there any documentation out there somewhere i can read that tries to explain this phenomenon scientifically? thanks.

[bill_cooper]

Originally Posted by maynardsdick

so i guess my question is: what are these visuals a representation of?

who's to say for sure
maybe next time
you can ask

Originally Posted by maynardsdick

is there any documentation out there somewhere i can read that tries to explain this phenomenon scientifically? thanks.

i posted a link to some mckenna talks
you can find many more by using a search engine
there are many experiences documented here as well
i know none of what i have said helps
but it's really not for me to say
i believe you need to establish a dialogue
but a scientific explanation
i have never really sought one

[kungpow]

Psychedelics are way beyond science. Don't even try to explain it scientifically because all you will do is end up with nothing. It is hard enough just to explain the experience in language let alone go about it scientifically.

~Peace Out

[Hella_Dood]

This may be outdated info since I got it from an Older book.

The theory on how psychs make you hallucinate is that they impede sensory niput into your thalamus, the part of your brain responsible for sorting sensory input, while amping your cortex, the part of your brain that interprets sensory input.
Basically your cortex gets free reign over your sensory input. This ends up working on your senses the way that that digital visual/audio processors work on sounds and video.
You are basically getting organic reverb, feedback, and flange ect. Similar to a guitar effects pedal.

Now, why your cortex interprets that weird squid aliens are coming out of vortexes to psychically comunicate with you on say, ayahuasca, that's anyone's guess.

Also, this was told to me by a very smart friend of mine but not through a legitimate source. There is a newish theory on what differentiates psychs as well.

Basically, your neurotransmitters fit into your receptor sites in your brain to carry signals. Once a transmitter fits into the site (according to my very intelligent friend) the new theory is that electrical impulses are transmitted through your neuro-chemicals themselves. So, the odd fitting shape of, lets say psilocin, causes a sort of misfire in your synapse, distributing the electrical impulse in the wrong place. This would be an explanation for why the effects of ecstacy and psilocin are similar but different. Ecstacy works by flooding your own neurochemicals into your serotonin ,dopamine and I believe, nor-epinephrine(?) receptors. Psilocin plugs into serotonin receptors and sends out a sort of refracted signal.

Anybody who is smarter than me is welcome to correct me here. I'm eager to learn as well

[Hella_Dood]

LOL!!!!

I'm good at killing threads!!!

One post, fuckin' done!

[Delafonze19]

What about spice. That is a naturally occuring neurotransmitter. It has custom built receptors. That must be why it can get in and out so quick. I wouldn't imagine The visuals on this are because of refraction, but rather exactlly what it is supposed to do. Which explains why you are not confused or anything on spice. So why then the communication with extra-dimensional squids?

[Hella_Dood]

Well, once again, I'm no expert. With spice, since it is an naturally occuring endogenous neurotransmitter, it may be a couple of things.

Firstly, the dose of spice is definiately responsible for it's greater effects. It may be that the specific receptors for spice get filled pretty quickly and then there is spill-over into the receptors that are next in line for tryptamine affinity. So it would cause this refraction in the sites that it isn't "meant" for.
I would geuss that there is a pretty specific subset of receptors for DMT to cause it's natural effect in the body and that there isn't alot of them.

I have heard a story from a friend about an aquantence of his that had a brain tumor removed. No amount of 5-MeO would give this person a buzz! So.....there might not be any crossover either.

I have found DMT visuals to be much more 'organized' than those of other psyches. So it could also be that the specific effects of DMT in the brain are meant to be psychedelic, but at a really low bellow threshold kind of thing. The large dose of spice is what causes the extra effect. So in the case of spice there may be no refraction at all, just a chemical causing the exact desired effect at specific receptors.

From personal experience both psilocin and DMT cause the "entity encounter" phenomenon. I have noticed in my own experience that DMT seems alot more organized and clear than psilocin. Psilocin visuals are much more chaotic and random than DMT visuals. DMT seems to cause less open eye 'patterning' in me and tends to make everything look more uniform even, while psilocin causes the patterning, color bleeding and random colors, wild shifting of the borders of objects.
DMT causes a uniformity of things that have irregular patterns on their own. Carpets, walls, wood grains and such seem almost more plain and perfect on DMT. I also notice far away objects appearing as if they are painted on windows. I once saw the air completely filled with what appeared to be tiny spiderwebs like when the baby spiders drop on their little web parachutes in the spring. Cool as hell.

The entity encounters on DMT are direct. I hear a voice specifically saying things to me. On psilocin it sounds like another language. I can't make it out and anything communicated is inferred more metaphorically.

This is all speculative! Based on only my experiences and those shared to me by friends. I have few friends who are trippers, even fewer who are self exploreres or spiritual users so much of my info has come from mycotopia and similar resources. Tell me what you think! I am in no way implying that I am somehow 'right' about any of this. Argue with me goddamnit!

[Hella_Dood]

Sorry! I geuss I kinda just backed up what you said delafonze and didn't adress your question!

The weird squids things and whatever everybody see, who knows? I have some theories of my own I geuss but nothing really concrete.

Have you seen them too? I have heard of other people seeing very similar things on DMT to what I have seen. The one I saw looked like a squidy, octopus-ie, jellyfish-like flower thing. It was a mass of tentacles with lacey and delicate ends to them, some alot longer to give it more of a cephalopd look than just a mass of worms. There seemed to be a central point that they were all coming from. It was kind of transperant looking but with whites, pinks and purples. It spoke clearly to me and had a female presence.

On psilocin I have seen the 'Mantis' like thing that I have heard of in many other trip reports. I have also seen some things that seemed similar to the DMT encounter. They seem harder to desribe and more abstract. One looked vaguely like an organic mass with breathing vaginal orifices all over it.

I have seen under the influence of the 2-C's some cyclopean cartoonish things with spade shaped heads. I was suprised to see in some trip reports that some others had seen these as well! On the 2-C's no less, although one guy saw them on mushrooms. These seemed like simple imagery with no presence.

My first trip on LSD, the first thing I saw was the all seeing eye with smiley and the the two additional points near the apex to make it a five pointed star. I was sixteen and didn't know anything about psyches, I didn't have any friends who had tried any. Imagine my suprise at the effects BTW!
Well, Robert Anton Wilson describes this image in detail. I recently read cosmic trigger and it tripped me out to no end! This symbol, specifically the variation with five points, has alot of history and has been known to several individuals and whole cultures completely independant of each other for thousands of years! I learned of this YEARS after having seen it and thinking little of it except that it was 'cool'.

So there's something weird going on here. Either:

*These images are, for whatever the fucking reason(!) already contained in our brains and ready to be released with the right stimulation.

*There is external stimulation going on that can effect us under psychadelics. This seems unlikely to me but since I have experienced it myself I can't be %100 skeptical.

*I could also imagine that the wide variety of stimulus under psychadelics could, after so many trips and similar effects on seperate brains, could cause certain likely patterns to form.

*Something else entirely different that I havn't though of or heard about.

Sorry guys! I'm a shameless, dirty post hog. Forgive me. I have only two friends who have experienced anything like what I have and anybody else I try to talk to about this shit gets weirded out REAL quick. I'm actually getting to express ideas here, even if nobody reads them, that I have never been able to express before, maybe even to a recptive community!!!!

Thanks topia!