bad mushroom trip, possible advice?

[misteratheister]

About 3 weeks ago I tripped on a 3g tea. I normally only take 2.5 g's and this was my first time to trip on a tea.

Long story short, I had a bad trip. I threw away everything I had that was even remotely related to mushroom cultivation. Packed it all up in tupperware containers and sank it in a river. But I have questions pertaining to my experiences during the trip and whether anyone has had similar experiences, or whether anyone has any advice.

Long story long, I took the tea with my roommate, and I was surprised at how quickly the trip came on, and how strong it was. The come-up was quite fine, but about 1.5 hours in, things started to sour. A mutual friend called my roommate, wanted to hang out, and my roommate agreed. He came by about 20 minutes later, and I was just acting and feeling strangely. I felt rude, illogical, and unintelligent. My puppy was being playful, trying to jump up on me, and rubbing against my legs, and I just felt like I was a dumb beast, in the same boat as him. I kept starting to say things to my roommate, and then apologizing profusely, thinking that what I was thinking was crazy. I thought my roommate was a figment of my mind, and that I was schizophrenic. I also felt like my roommate and friend were looking down on me, that I was crap, that I was a lousy, terrible excuse for a human being. Normally when I get negative feelings on mushrooms I am able to pull myself out of it, but this was simply not the case. I felt increasingly confused and frustrated, exasperated, but nothing I could think of could take my mind off of thinking I was genuinely crazy. I could have sworn that my roommate and friend were saying that I was crazy, that I was fucked up, but when I look back on it they aren't the sort of people to say things like that. There was just a whole lot of negative vibes, and I couldn't do anything to shake them off, and those bad feelings lasted much longer than the course of the trip. When I was coming down, I decided to throw everything related to cultivation away, but to keep what I had already harvested, 2.5 oz. I packed it up, drove to a river, and tossed it. This decision was partially due to my tripping state(I think) and partially because my roommate knew I was growing and told WAAAAAAAAY too many people about that fact.

These bad feelings, these feelings of craziness, stuck with me for days after the trip, and I was wondering if anyone has had the same experience with residual thoughts of psychosis and worthlessness. The whole experience just messed with me quite a lot. I like to think that I am a stable individual and an experienced tripper, since I have done mushrooms some twenty-odd times, but this trip was just so frighteningly different from everything I had ever felt that it had/has me worrying. I like to trip, but I worry that that was my last good trip, that anything more would just be more bad vibes. And advice or similar experiences, or even just some reassurance would be appreciated on whether continued tripping would be wise. I felt fried. Like, I had too much of a good thing.

[fattyz]

I have been looking for a place to post this for awhile, I read a similar thing before I grew any of my own stuff and now, here is the situation.

Basically, right now, I will only dose very lightly due to not wanting to be incapacitated for any length of time and the fear the mushrooms produce in me. I just get scared witless and have to go somewhere and hide until I come down enough to function again. (or take something to kill trip.) Every time. It's not altogether unpleasant but, It's just not really for me in large doses. Things like the phone ringing or someone coming to the door are just off the chart. Last time I tried anything like a high dose I took a walk in the woods for four hours, that works!

It's not like the stuff I remember from the old days, double barrel orange sunshine, purple microdot cid and mesc and blotter. Of course I used to drink alot in conjunction with these things so, who really knows what was going on!

I did not use any substance for many years and now I use things to allow me to function better, so I can work or do whatever I have to do. Soma and tramadol work well for me. I can work to my full capacity and not stop myself from functioning well with my resistance to what I am trying to do. That is the best way to explain it, lowered resistance. Pods are nice but not as good as the pain meds.

The bad trip thing I would always keep around some kind of sedative to counteract. Back in the day I used Valium. I would never high dose without something like that to knock me out if things got weird. Being stuck in bad trip land is not my idea of a good time.

better living thru chemicals,

yours,

FattyZ

[steeq]

I'm sorry to hear about your trip.

I had a similar experience with believing that everyone surrounding me were a fragment of my mind and that I was schizophrenic, but was able to pull through.

IMO you should keep your doses low for a while if you decide to use shrooms again. Or maybe try some other psychedelics til you are ready to come back to the shroomies.

As far as a bad trip, I am a firm believer that music is the key. Also, if you are getting bad vibes, it helps me to be by myself with the music. I feel like this enables me to take a deeper look at what it is that is making me feel this way. The music will guide you and not being around the ones who are giving you the bad vibe will enable you to look deeper into yourself to find what is bothering you. For me, I have been able to take something profound away from a seemingly bad trip by using this method.

Having someone in the other room or nearby is always a good idea though.

May your next trip be better.

[Lookyhere]

Originally Posted by steeq

I'm sorry to hear about your trip.

I had a similar experience with believing that everyone surrounding me were a fragment of my mind and that I was schizophrenic, but was able to pull through.

IMO you should keep your doses low for a while if you decide to use shrooms again. Or maybe try some other psychedelics til you are ready to come back to the shroomies.

As far as a bad trip, I am a firm believer that music is the key. Also, if you are getting bad vibes, it helps me to be by myself with the music. I feel like this enables me to take a deeper look at what it is that is making me feel this way. The music will guide you and not being around the ones who are giving you the bad vibe will enable you to look deeper into yourself to find what is bothering you. For me, I have been able to take something profound away from a seemingly bad trip by using this method.

Having someone in the other room or nearby is always a good idea though.

May your next trip be better.

I agree with all of this. You should just stick to very low doses until you feel comfortable again. I have had bad trips with shrooms and with acid. Every trip is different. I have been scared to trip after I have gone through a bad experience, but have found that once you have a bad trip, you are not destined to have bad trips from then on out. Music is key to getting control of a bad time IMO. Nice calm Floyd or Beatles or anything relaxing is a very good way to pull out of it or just to even begin your trip and ensure that it starts off right and stays good.

[rocketman]

I think it is important to always remember that you are under the influence of a hallucinagen. If you felt comfy around your room mate then thats great. The guy coming over to watch the tripping guy was not a good idea. And the phone ringing probably caused enough tension to have you go in that direction. I have been there too with the bad trip and you must remember its just temporary and do not fight it. We learn even from the bad trips. I find my self in bed in my bed under the covers like a scared child at times, but its all the same.

I also agree with dosing lower. The difference in dosing 2g instead of 3g is huge. I can laugh and enjoy the hell out of a couple grams. If I go higher i feel I lose my social skills. I only trip alone on high doses.

[nodnarb1978]

I can never say I had a bad trip. There have been some real wierd moments, but I have always changed the scenery if I felt my mood going negative. That was mostly with LSD. Mushies have been very kind to me, the 10 or so times I have eaten. Everyone has different ways to bring themselves into the scene. I like to lay back and listen to Floyd and other greats, while the intensity sets in. I also always tell myself (coming on or peakin) several times that I can turn it on and off whenever I want to. It works and has worked for me and fellow trippers even if its a few seconds of normalcy, a kind of reality check. I also really clear my mind body and soul of any angst or pain beforehand. IMO its all in how you start the trip to achieve a positive ending. Like the others have said "small does". Use our methods to your interpretation(sp?) and see what happens. I never thought about killing a trip like that thanks Fattyz!

[oibchip]

Sounds like paranoia to me and rightly so....If I had a roommate blabbing to everyone about the fact that I was growing mushrooms..Firstly I would probably kick his ass and secondly I would relocate all of my supplies as well. I wouldn't throw them away but they damn sure wouldn't be anywhere near me till I moved from that house and into a home where I was either alone or lived with someone I trust.

I don't see how you could be comfortable sober in that house(with growing or even holding shrooms) not even mentioning the heightened senses while high.

[Lookyhere]

Me and my old 2 roomates had a major operation going with weed. We had hundreds and hundreds of plants. We were all in it together and we all had a lot to lose. Since we all had so much to lose we all kept our mouths shut. We didn't even tell our girlfriends. A big way that people end up blabbing is alcohol. You get drunk and start bragging about shit. We stopped drinking for the most part. I too would kick his ass and move. That's some bullshit. I would recommend in future trips to be with trustworthy people, or better yet for the next couple of times, you may want to go solo.

[misteratheister]

I guess I will eventually step back into the realm of mushies, but I will most definitely take everyones advice and start with a very small dose, minute even. However, this may not happen for quite some time, as I wish to make sure that I am in jsut the right state of mind to do such a thing.

As for my roommate, he is not a dick. He is simply kind of stupid about any drug-related issues. I mean, he keeps a bong out in open view while we are living in a rental house. Maybe he does not understand or care for the law as much as the average person, I am not certain. But he does indeed do many things which make me wonder about his motives and intellectual capacity.

[Mermaidia]

IF you are a believer that you learn things from your trips and you don't take them just to get "high" then you'll need to start focusing on the good moments and really thinking about what needed to be learned from the "bad" part.

I had a bad trip once. It took me a year before i wanted to trip again. It took that long for the fear, and to process/change the things i needed to. I wanted to make sure i didn't go back to that place and if i did i was mentally prepared.
Sometimes no matter how much preparation you put into set and setting things go sour. It's a crap shoot, imo.

But as rocket said, there are things to be learned from those times. IMO, sometimes it's the best learning experience.

I would have to agree with moving your grow operation and maybe not growing for a bit. Long enough for him to forget about it. The first rule in this hobby, is to tell no one. While his intentions may not be ill fated, all it takes is the wrong person to over hear his conversation and BAM. I think by eliminating that stressor it just might help you have a better time with future trips.

[kyle_w44]

I have had a couple of different bad trips in my time and the first one definitely shook my confidence in ever tripping again. It didn't help that it was only my second time ever taking mushrooms. My first bad trip was absolutely terrifying, feelings that I was dying or already dead, and then I thought I had flat out gone insane. The second bad trip was one of utter confusion; I couldn't concentrate on anything anyone said, I felt physically terrible like my heart was going to stop any second, I was scared shitless. But, I had learned from my first trip, and I didn't say anything even though everyone knew that I was in a bad place. I sat and told myself that it was only a drug and the confusion would pass, and that it did.

On both of these trips I dosed way higher than on any of my others (I also smoked a LOT of weed on my second bad experience), and I think that was the main problem. Things got way too intense and I had a hard time handling it. I do know that mushrooms can be an ego boost, or an ego drop, and I believe that whichever one you exit the trip in stays with you for a while after the trip is long gone, but I certainly don't believe that long term psychosis is going to set in, at least in most cases. I think you should definitely try mushies again, but at a lower dose than you would normally try. I have a good friend who had a bad trip some time ago and hasn't tripped since. However, any time he's really drunk or really high the bad trip comes back, full force. I firmly believe it is a conflict that he has to solve and I encourage him to take a small dose of mushrooms to trip again and try and fix the short circuit, with people that he really trusts and in a good environment of course. Not everyone's views are the same, but that is what I would suggest to you. Best of luck

[extrememetal43]

the feelings of a bad trip can linger a long time, and sometimes even the goofy tripped out things u think dont go away. A foaf once go so noided thot the dudes he got the boomers set him up and of course he figurd this out while trippin and proceeded to think cops were after him. The dude even sober still never trusted the friend the same. But also the high from a good trip can last a long time. Sometimes i wont go again jus cuz the last one was so good i dont wana mess w it.

I've also come out of trips scared shitless to trip again. Either cuz it was a bad trip or so crazy it'll scare ya. a few months ago i had a way extreme dmt trip got noided out almost knide like the thread starter. I was scared, very scared to trip off anything for like a month in a half. It really started to mess w me cuz i love trippin, i'm sure we all do thats y were here, and i was thinkin i maybe coukldnt ever do it again. Well i came to the conclusion that it was no different thann a race car driver after a wreck, gota get back in that car and race again...its just what u do. ya gota get back on the horse....of course take your time to face your fear and dont force it but if u want to enuf u will jsut like gettin over a fear.

[mycobrain]

Im intrigued by these stories. Even a bad trip seems like a really good experience that you come out of feeling like a different person. As scary as it may be there is probably plenty to learn from these trips

[EsotericLucidity]

Every time I trip, it is mutual between my best friend and I, that it is only us for the night, and all is good.

I will either trip alone or with this one person.

It seems to me, that your set and setting weren't exactly like you would have wanted them.

Best of luck with future experiences!

[LuMaShI]

I can usually tell if I'm going to have a bad one before I even dose, what I do is eat like a Xanax about 3 hours before dosing so my nerves are at peace. But thats me I have HORRIBLE nerves. Another thing that helps is just being around good people and being in a good mood and in a good environment! Hope I helped somewhat and good luck in the future. You must realize, if you are going to trip, bad trips come with the territory. They all can't be awesome, just like anything else in life.

[wildburr]

I cant say I've ever really had a bad trip, but can say I've probably taken more than I should have. When that happens I just feel as if im totally out of control and have to be alone to come down. I have also learned from this that I can only do maybe 2 or 3 grams at a time anything more is just hard to deal with, at least for me that is. setting and place definitely are major factors for me when I trip. Personally I like to eat maybe a gram or two late at night after my kids have gone to bed and watch a good movie or documentaries. Or when my tripping buddy comes over we eat a couple of grams and play a round of golf (why is everything so green?).

[Mr. Clean]

Originally Posted by mycobrain

Im intrigued by these stories. Even a bad trip seems like a really good experience that you come out of feeling like a different person. As scary as it may be there is probably plenty to learn from these trips

Sometimes, I go into a trip specifically seeking out a "bad" experience. Anyway, I don't think the word "bad" is a fair characterization. Dosing around people that aren't on mushrooms, then freaking out about it is one thing. But if you, like me: use them with the intent of accessing the depths of your subconscious, it's these "bad" experiences that often turn out to be the most rewarding! I think people tend to call them "bad" trips because naturally, they're scary..then again, how could they not be. An in-depth look at one's true self can be an earth shattering experience for anyone.

[steeq]

Originally Posted by Mr. Clean

Sometimes, I go into a trip specifically seeking out a "bad" experience. Anyway, I don't think the word "bad" is a fair characterization. Dosing around people that aren't on mushrooms, then freaking out about it is one thing. But if you, like me: use them with the intent of accessing the depths of your subconscious, it's these "bad" experiences that often turn out to be the most rewarding! I think people tend to call them "bad" trips because naturally, they're scary..then again, how could they not be. An in-depth look at one's true self can turn out to be an earth shattering experience for anyone.

Very good point.

[suckerfree]

Originally Posted by misteratheister

As for my roommate, he is not a dick. He is simply kind of stupid about any drug-related issues. I mean, he keeps a bong out in open view while we are living in a rental house. Maybe he does not understand or care for the law as much as the average person, I am not certain. But he does indeed do many things which make me wonder about his motives and intellectual capacity.

Hmm how smart is it to live in a rental house and keep a bong in open view while a grow op is going on...
You are just begging to go to jail.

You have to set some ground rules... or don't grow.

[EcuadorianMush]

I saw the sun shinning orange... the rain fallin in my body... i take out my shirt... i was shinning.. like the sun color.... the birds communicate with me.. telling me about their fellings.. and the magic of nature... just contemplating the world... the mountains breath... ... the sky move... rainbows.... WOW... thats a good trip... i saw people working...and just contemplatin how the human works are going more and more... constructing... doing bad and good things.... it was incredible... i ate mushrooms a complete week... because i saw them.. they call me to eat them... since that week... i never try mush again... till now.. that i´m tryin to grow them... and i feell like they are coming now in 1 or 2 weeks... hope they receive me in a good way....

[kyo]

Good advice from everyone. I'd say dose low, and if you start to feel strange, take a look at this:

http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=e8yx4k4tzqE

Always makes me smile like a dumbass.

[mushroommaster7]

well, first off.. i don't think you should litter...


JK

i can totally understand the frame of mind you were in... maybe being around the third person, who i'm guessing was not in the same state of mind as you and your other friend were, probably messed with your positivity/negativity balance...

i think we're all susceptible to a frighteningly bad trip from time to time.. as this substance is not based upon positivity or negativity... it is based upon the setting... and YOU... i'm sorry to hear about your bad trip, but i don't thin you should quit the hobby... personally... i've had trips that effected me for days there after, but eventually those feelings of fear and confusion fade... don't they?

my bet is to not trip with people who aren't... well tripping... that's not so neat that your friend blabbered about your cultivation... maybe you should have a talk with him about that?

good luck with your puppy !

[bsurfer2d3]

Maybe deep down you were mad at your roommate for inviting a friend over without asking you about it....if that is what happened.

One of my first trips many years ago I heard my friend who I was tripping with on the phone in the other room. Then I hear him say "Yeah, come over". My good vibes suddenly turned to panic! I didn't want to seem like a dick and tell him that I minded so I held it in. 2 people ended up coming over who I barely knew and I felt like I couldn't talk straight. I couldn't complete a sentence, and everyone else seemed fine. I think they were laughing at me. Normally I wouldn't mind, but in my vulnerable state bad thoughts flooded my head. I just got up and walked outside. It felt rude, but I felt it was the best plan at the time. Strangely I felt better, and found myself smiling....until they all came outside. It wasn't so bad because I was occupied playing the guitar. Then I felt like I needed to play something they know...flood of thoughts again...and I set it down. A lot of confusion. When the left later I felt stupid. Even the next day. I've never felt so much social anxiety so intensely in my life.

* So pretty much I think maybe the new person who came over gave you a bad vibe, not because of them as a person but because of the change in elements. We probably wouldn't be having this conversation if that sober person never came over.

As for you feeling strange over the next few days....its completely normal. You experienced something very intense. Its not easy to shake something so intense sometimes...even if you have in the past. Everyone is different, and every trip is different.

It sounds like you are experienced and want to continue but are unsure about diving into uncharted waters again. Start with low doses and make it clear to all parties who are about to trip to communicate and make sure its ok with everyone when doing something that can potentially change the mood or vibe of the group. ex) inviting someone over, changing the music, leaving the house, etc.

Hope my 2 cents helps.

[DeadSpore]

I had a study go wrong for me about a year ago and I did the same thing... Trashed it all including the G/H.

I just had a study like that about 4-5 days ago. I think it was'nt my time to trip. I felt like I hated everything about me. Kinda strange.

I usually study again at a time I feel 100% and I usually stumble back onto the path I was on. Or even a better one...