Geometry visions with shrooms

spacecake · 05-11-08, 18:23

Well,for start... sorry aboud the misleading title..maybe I will change that when I now how to call this thing.. ,..my question is aboud this you know...

You all know ,when you take a large amound of shrooms..in my case Pans,you see these twirling thing when you close your eyes...
(you can see them alot clearer with pans imo)

I can see them very clear,but cannot draw them,don't know why.
They are changing chape very gentle and give me alot of rest and peace when I look at them.

How is it called ?
Why is it's shape so simple,but yet complex ?
..after many years of experiance,I never asked this question,and want to know if the shape is the same with eveyone...

oibchip · 05-11-08, 18:54

I think I know the pattern u speak of. It's almost like a snowflake, slowly revolving..err meshing with the rest of the shapes (same shapes it seems) which are superimposed upon everything..The funny part is my CEV's do not usually take this form..I only see the pattern(lack of better words for me) when my eyes are open.

spacecake · 05-11-08, 19:11

Okay,funny Oibchip, that you see them with you eyes open...
I wonder were this shape come from...

oibchip · 05-11-08, 19:51

It is strange..if I try to focus on it the pattern kind of disappears. Becomes more opaque. If I really try and nail it down it just goes away never to be seen sometimes for even quite few trips. Then one day it will return. I have been working on trying not to figure it out because it is really neat and I want to be able to see it. The only thing that I have ever seen which resembles it is some of the images of sacred geometry circles that I have seen in books and such. I have no dis illusions that I am privy to something like viewing sacred geometry shapes just because my mind is altered on pscilly. Even though I have never seen the pattern when on any other hallucinogen like mesc or lsd etc.

Does the shape you see resemble a very delicate, intricate snowflake maybe?

My CEV's are different in the way that they revolve and morph into different forma and cool stuf like that.

I remember that I sometimes think(when high) that I am viewing the molecular pattern of life's building blocks or some thing like that..bah!...I dunno. It is cool that you brought it up though, thanks SC.

spacecake · 05-11-08, 20:12

Well,it looks something like this.. ,altho very different..lol,morphing into other directions 3 dimensional.
I too cannot always keep track and lose totally lose vision,but yesterday I did,and that's why I posted this question today...

oibchip · 05-11-08, 22:24

Yeah, what I was talkin about is a whole different ballgame it seems..O well.

CoyoteMesc · 05-11-08, 22:29

Doctor D' s avatar !

I see similar shapes with my eyes closed. Especially if I have been watching tv, in a lit room etc. Mine are just more blue and green and minus the red and orange.

twoguysupnorth · 05-12-08, 12:07

good description oib. like a snowflake. my CEV's seem more geometric too rather than swirls. they morph shapes and colors though.

prism1234 · 05-12-08, 12:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by twoguysupnorth

good description oib. like a snowflake. my CEV's seem more geometric too rather than swirls. they morph shapes and colors though.

Agreed, I also see the geometric or crystaline "Haze", no shapes as above... Maybe I have not eaten enuff...

spacecake · 05-12-08, 15:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoyoteMesc

Doctor D' s avatar !

I see similar shapes with my eyes closed. Especially if I have been watching tv, in a lit room etc. Mine are just more blue and green and minus the red and orange.

Something like that avatar ,but just the top of it..that is flowing down and/or sideways etc,..a little more like the following picture..,but with the tubes in different directions.

feralronin · 05-13-08, 14:08

Yeah its damn difficult to accurately remember visions for me after. I think because its so much more complex than I can normally grasp.
When is someone going to invent a way to take screenshots of your field of view. I have wished I had this capability so many times. Just think of the image gallery we would have.

spacecake · 05-13-08, 14:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by feralronin

Just think of the image gallery we would have.

...lol

Chahel · 05-17-08, 15:51

Do you mean when it's a kaleidoscope of colored shapes that revolve? If you let your eyes wander to the middle ... after a while an eye appears and begins returning your gaze.

I don't know if we are experiencing the same phenomena since I haven't used hallucinogens.

Lazlo · 05-17-08, 16:30

A friend of mine described them as looking like the Independent truck company's logo. I see that quite a bit myself, as does he.

spacecake · 05-17-08, 17:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chahel

Do you mean when it's a kaleidoscope of colored shapes that revolve?

Sorry my englisch isnt so good,what do you mean by revolving ?

spacecake · 05-17-08, 17:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lazlo

A friend of mine described them as looking like the Independent truck company's logo. I see that quite a bit myself, as does he.

Yeah,that's it...(almost that is), now were getting somewere..!

Have you any idea were it's getting from ?
It's always very smooth and exactly the same,like a computer made form.
How long can you hold this vision Lazlo ?

Lazlo · 05-17-08, 17:33

2-3 hours I suppose. Something like that.

I don't know why most of the individuals I trip with all see the exact same pattern. I'm glad he made that comparison, because it's a damn close one. I guess that's just what their supposed to do. You can really see them well on the ceilings. Stacks of those patterns dropping down a foot or so from the ceiling. I love it!

MycoChondria · 05-17-08, 17:35

Great thread, SpaceCake!

Has anyone ever wondered about the similarity of psilo-induced CEVs vs. what you see when you press your finger on your eyeball (with lid closed of course)?

When I do this, I see a swirly, living, maze of geometric shapes, all tinged yellow-orange. The CEVs I get with psilo however are multi-colored, and include after-images of what I've been recently looking at. Anyone care to comment?

BTW, check out this link for a "scholarly" discussion on CEVs and their potential origins.

http://schwitzsplinters.blogspot.com...hat-do-we.html

Chahel · 05-17-08, 17:39

Hmm, I'm not seeing anything like that logo, so we must be talking about different things. I was just curious when it sounded like we had opened the same door with different keys.

What I saw was colored shapes that periodically changed colors and rotated around a misty center.

MycoChondria · 05-17-08, 17:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chahel

Hmm, I'm not seeing anything like that logo, so we must be talking about different things. I was just curious when it sounded like we had opened the same door with different keys.
What I saw was colored shapes that periodically changed colors and rotated around a misty center.

Hi, Chalel...which logo are you talking about?

Maybe this link is better...talks about DXM and CEVs...
http://www.dextroverse.org/zine/zine15/index2.html

Mind · 05-17-08, 17:56

Reminds me more of the song ''The Wheel'' on the Garcia Album, paticulary on mushrooms have seen peppermint like swirling wheels coast along my visuals.
Usually corresponding to certain thoughts and experiences that act much like a swirling wheel in the way they end or begin.

Chahel · 05-17-08, 18:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by MycoChondria

Hi, Chalel...which logo are you talking about?

Maybe this link is better...talks about DXM and CEVs...
http://www.dextroverse.org/zine/zine15/index2.html

Thanks for the 2 links, they were very helpful. It's comforting to know that I'll have company when I'm wearing the straitjacket. Placing the heel of your palms against the undereyes and creating a vacuum provides the best pressure since it's evenly applied.

I meant the logo that Laszlo posted of the Independent Truck Company.

MycoChondria · 05-17-08, 18:19

Nope, you're not the only one with the jacket

I am fascinated with subjective effects like what we're discussing here...hope to see some more comments on this topic on this thread. In the meantime, I'm gonna try to do some animations in 3DS MAX and see if I can simulate some cevs...I imagine this is going to involve fractals and distortions a-la-space warps and the like. Should be fun.

Cheers

spacecake · 05-17-08, 18:59

I wish I had a program that could show my experiance on the screen !

I'll hope you get a good animation of your experiance Myco...!

MycoChondria · 05-17-08, 19:04

Some members of topia have animated GIFs which might give me some ideas. When I finish it (shouldn't be more than a few years), I'll make sure to post what I cope up with!

Chahel · 05-17-08, 22:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by MycoChondria

I am fascinated with subjective effects like what we're discussing here...hope to see some more comments on this topic on this thread. In the meantime, I'm gonna try to do some animations in 3DS MAX and see if I can simulate some cevs...I imagine this is going to involve fractals and distortions a-la-space warps and the like. Should be fun.

It is a good subject. I'd be interested in an informal experiment using meditation to see how close it can match (probably end up with a super watered down version, but it's worth a try). What you're doing sounds cool. Can you post some stills? I'm not productive today, the most I'll do is watch the bull-riding.

MycoChondria · 05-17-08, 22:12

Yes, I'll post back on this thread when I have something to offer in the way of a simulation.

Cheers,
Myc

Lazlo · 05-17-08, 22:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chahel

Hmm, I'm not seeing anything like that logo, so we must be talking about different things.

That's surprising, because everyone I trip with sees them too.

MycoChondria · 05-17-08, 22:30

I don't see quite exactly the same shape, but instead smaller "sprites" that are more granular in texture and without a very distinct shape. Gotta bet individual differences at play here, along with a bunch of other stuff that we can't quantify easily.

Chahel · 05-18-08, 03:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lazlo

[Home]	[The Vaults]	[Glossary]	[Donate]	[Sponsors]	[Affiliates]
[Calendar]	Mark Forums Read	[VIP Chat]	[Register]	[Activate]	[Resend Email]

05-11-08, 18:23	#1 (permalink)
spacecake Universal Mod Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 3,800	Geometry visions with shrooms Well,for start... sorry aboud the misleading title..maybe I will change that when I now how to call this thing.. ,..my question is aboud this you know... You all know ,when you take a large amound of shrooms..in my case Pans,you see these twirling thing when you close your eyes... (you can see them alot clearer with pans imo) I can see them very clear,but cannot draw them,don't know why. They are changing chape very gentle and give me alot of rest and peace when I look at them. How is it called ? Why is it's shape so simple,but yet complex ? ..after many years of experiance,I never asked this question,and want to know if the shape is the same with eveyone... __________________ Neurologic

05-11-08, 19:11	#3 (permalink)
spacecake Universal Mod Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 3,800	Okay,funny Oibchip, that you see them with you eyes open... I wonder were this shape come from... __________________ Neurologic

05-11-08, 20:12	#5 (permalink)
spacecake Universal Mod Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 3,800	Well,it looks something like this.. ,altho very different..lol,morphing into other directions 3 dimensional. I too cannot always keep track and lose totally lose vision,but yesterday I did,and that's why I posted this question today... Attached Thumbnails __________________ Neurologic

05-11-08, 22:29	#7 (permalink)
CoyoteMesc KEY MASTER Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,515	Doctor D' s avatar ! I see similar shapes with my eyes closed. Especially if I have been watching tv, in a lit room etc. Mine are just more blue and green and minus the red and orange. __________________ Last edited by CoyoteMesc : 05-12-08 at 13:19. Reason: grammer, doh

05-11-08, 18:54	#2 (permalink)
oibchip Space Lord Modulator Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 5,065	I think I know the pattern u speak of. It's almost like a snowflake, slowly revolving..err meshing with the rest of the shapes (same shapes it seems) which are superimposed upon everything..The funny part is my CEV's do not usually take this form..I only see the pattern(lack of better words for me) when my eyes are open.

05-11-08, 19:51	#4 (permalink)
oibchip Space Lord Modulator Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 5,065	It is strange..if I try to focus on it the pattern kind of disappears. Becomes more opaque. If I really try and nail it down it just goes away never to be seen sometimes for even quite few trips. Then one day it will return. I have been working on trying not to figure it out because it is really neat and I want to be able to see it. The only thing that I have ever seen which resembles it is some of the images of sacred geometry circles that I have seen in books and such. I have no dis illusions that I am privy to something like viewing sacred geometry shapes just because my mind is altered on pscilly. Even though I have never seen the pattern when on any other hallucinogen like mesc or lsd etc. Does the shape you see resemble a very delicate, intricate snowflake maybe? My CEV's are different in the way that they revolve and morph into different forma and cool stuf like that. I remember that I sometimes think(when high) that I am viewing the molecular pattern of life's building blocks or some thing like that..bah!...I dunno. It is cool that you brought it up though, thanks SC.

05-11-08, 22:24	#6 (permalink)
oibchip Space Lord Modulator Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 5,065	Yeah, what I was talkin about is a whole different ballgame it seems..O well.

05-12-08, 12:07	#8 (permalink)
twoguysupnorth Mycotopiate Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,555	good description oib. like a snowflake. my CEV's seem more geometric too rather than swirls. they morph shapes and colors though.

05-13-08, 14:08	#11 (permalink)
feralronin ... Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 732	Yeah its damn difficult to accurately remember visions for me after. I think because its so much more complex than I can normally grasp. When is someone going to invent a way to take screenshots of your field of view. I have wished I had this capability so many times. Just think of the image gallery we would have.

05-17-08, 15:51	#13 (permalink)
Chahel Mycophiliac Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 9	Do you mean when it's a kaleidoscope of colored shapes that revolve? If you let your eyes wander to the middle ... after a while an eye appears and begins returning your gaze. I don't know if we are experiencing the same phenomena since I haven't used hallucinogens.

05-17-08, 16:30	#14 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 7,055	A friend of mine described them as looking like the Independent truck company's logo. I see that quite a bit myself, as does he. Attached Images __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

05-17-08, 17:33	#17 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 7,055	2-3 hours I suppose. Something like that. I don't know why most of the individuals I trip with all see the exact same pattern. I'm glad he made that comparison, because it's a damn close one. I guess that's just what their supposed to do. You can really see them well on the ceilings. Stacks of those patterns dropping down a foot or so from the ceiling. I love it! __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT? Last edited by Lazlo : 05-18-08 at 03:11.

05-17-08, 17:35	#18 (permalink)
MycoChondria Human Bean Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,267	Great thread, SpaceCake! Has anyone ever wondered about the similarity of psilo-induced CEVs vs. what you see when you press your finger on your eyeball (with lid closed of course)? When I do this, I see a swirly, living, maze of geometric shapes, all tinged yellow-orange. The CEVs I get with psilo however are multi-colored, and include after-images of what I've been recently looking at. Anyone care to comment? BTW, check out this link for a "scholarly" discussion on CEVs and their potential origins. http://schwitzsplinters.blogspot.com...hat-do-we.html __________________ *"May the scales of Karmic equilibrium tip in your favor"* Last edited by MycoChondria : 05-17-08 at 17:35. Reason: typo correction

05-17-08, 17:39	#19 (permalink)
Chahel Mycophiliac Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 9	Hmm, I'm not seeing anything like that logo, so we must be talking about different things. I was just curious when it sounded like we had opened the same door with different keys. What I saw was colored shapes that periodically changed colors and rotated around a misty center.

05-17-08, 17:56	#21 (permalink)
Mind . Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 163	Reminds me more of the song ''The Wheel'' on the Garcia Album, paticulary on mushrooms have seen peppermint like swirling wheels coast along my visuals. Usually corresponding to certain thoughts and experiences that act much like a swirling wheel in the way they end or begin.

05-17-08, 18:19	#23 (permalink)
MycoChondria Human Bean Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,267	Nope, you're not the only one with the jacket I am fascinated with subjective effects like what we're discussing here...hope to see some more comments on this topic on this thread. In the meantime, I'm gonna try to do some animations in 3DS MAX and see if I can simulate some cevs...I imagine this is going to involve fractals and distortions a-la-space warps and the like. Should be fun. Cheers __________________ *"May the scales of Karmic equilibrium tip in your favor"*

05-17-08, 18:59	#24 (permalink)
spacecake Universal Mod Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 3,800	I wish I had a program that could show my experiance on the screen ! I'll hope you get a good animation of your experiance Myco...! __________________ Neurologic

05-17-08, 19:04	#25 (permalink)
MycoChondria Human Bean Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,267	Some members of topia have animated GIFs which might give me some ideas. When I finish it (shouldn't be more than a few years), I'll make sure to post what I cope up with! __________________ *"May the scales of Karmic equilibrium tip in your favor"*

05-17-08, 22:12	#27 (permalink)
MycoChondria Human Bean Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,267	Yes, I'll post back on this thread when I have something to offer in the way of a simulation. Cheers, Myc __________________ *"May the scales of Karmic equilibrium tip in your favor"*

05-17-08, 22:30	#29 (permalink)
MycoChondria Human Bean Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,267	I don't see quite exactly the same shape, but instead smaller "sprites" that are more granular in texture and without a very distinct shape. Gotta bet individual differences at play here, along with a bunch of other stuff that we can't quantify easily. __________________ *"May the scales of Karmic equilibrium tip in your favor"*