Amanita Muscaria

[Myco_mystro]

So I have had a chance with Amanita and let me say You must be fully committed to experience full on! The Amanitas are very different in that they are an inebrient as well as a hallucinogen. The Ancient texts describe their use and the holiday of Christmas in the traditions of pine trees presents under the tree and colors red and white flying reindeer and such is related to these holy fungus. It is said that Siberian shaman would ingest these amanitas and then the others in the tribe would drink their urine. The active compound in amanitas Ibotenic acid and muscimol will pass largely not metabolized through the sh amens system and urine will contain a large amount of active compounds. Understanding this I ate a amount of amanita muscaria and decided I would recycle the components i.e. drink my own urine. Well let me tell you if you are opposed to this practice than amanitas are not for you. Recycling is very important.

[ShroomGuerilla]

you drink your own piss?



post a you-tube video of this "sacred" practice of yours. Wear a mask, piss into a bottle and chug it down...

not that I am "opposed" to weird ritualistic piss-drinking. I just find is very hard to believe you do this.

[warriorsoul]

It wont hurt you to drink your urine.
Some people claim health benefits from it.

[AmBe]

so, how was your experience?

[Lookyhere]

Urine is sterile (for a short time), but this is definitely not for me.

[ShroomGuerilla]

[Myco_mystro]

So to answer your questions or comments... Yes I have drank my urine. No I will not U-tube myself doing it. I don't remember why I ever tried it but I have researched and urine has anti-bacterial and anti-fungal properties and has less toxins than tap water though by no means do I suggest that you drink urine as a primary source of hydration! As far as the experience. It was quite interesting and pleasurable. I prepared for the ingestion of the amanitas by fasting on a Saturday. Late sat. evening around 10:30 I prepared tea with 3.5 g. of grade A Siberian Aminita Muscaria by grinding the mushrooms into a powder and then adding about 6-8 oz. water that was about 190 deg. I allowed to steep for about 30-45mins. and added some honey to sweeten. It did not taste bad just mushroomy. Some time later I began to feel a little "diffrent" a noticable alertness and stimulation. I noticed that I was walking and moving about quickly and had the feeling that I wanted to do something. I did not however feel intoxicated or inebriated and was experiencing no hallucinations whatsoever. I decided that I would consume my urine to recycle the active components ingested knowing that as much as 85% would pass into my urine un-metabolized. It was not very difficult to drink my pee after all it did come from me and was only slightly un-palatable. I know to some this may seem un-savory. Well Amanitas just probably arn't for you then. I decided to make some more tea. I was willing to eat an ounce to have an full on Amanita experience. I ground another 3.5 grams and prepared as before this time adding a Ginger tea bag for flavor. I drank my urine at any point I had to expel some from this point over the course of the experience about 5 times and ranging from about 4oz.-12oz. piss. Some time after the second glass of tea and second drinking of my urine I began to feel profoundly "different". It was almost akin to being under the influence of several alcoholic drinks and cannabis. I then smoked a little Salvia Divinorum, not extract but strong leaf. This was an amazing experience. It was getting to be around 5:00 am Mothers Day and my family was getting ready to go to help set up for a church service. I usually go and help, so I went still being under the influence of the Amanitas. My mom knew that I had drank some mushroom tea and I mentioned that it felt like I was in a dream. It felt very much like being intoxicated from alcohol but with little loss in coordination and more energy. When I got to the church service I felt very social and had no trouble communicating with anyone. I had a good time and thanked my mom sincerely. As soon as the service was over and we started heading home I noticed that my eyes wanted to be shut. At no time did I feel nauseous or vomit. When we got home I mentioned that I was terribly hungry but that I was going to go to sleep. I tried to sleep but I really wanted food. I got up and mentioned that I was in need of some food before I could sleep and was about to prepare something when my wonderful mom volunteered to make me breakfast. I asked for some sausage and eggs and a little toast. That was what my soul was craving! So I go back to bed and just as I'm about asleep there comes mom with a tray. Sausage, sunny side up eggs glistening, bacon (crisp but not too crisp and still chewy) just the right size piece of sourdough toast and a small glass of milk it was a dream come true. I then ate and slept well! Thanks Mom, thanks Amanitas!

[Lookyhere]

I have tripped on Amanitas between 50-100 times. Very minimum 50. I have tripped pretty hard without drinking my urine. Only twice were Muscarias, all the other times were Pantherinas. Panthers are stronger than muscarias and I have had tons of friends trip on them. A dose was only 1.5-2 grams for the panthers.

[shroom_seeker]

Originally Posted by Myco_mystro

As far as the experience. It was quite interesting and pleasurable. I drank my urine at any point I had to expel some from this point over the course of the experience. It felt very much like being intoxicated from alcohol but with little loss in coordination and more energy.

Thanks for the trip report, and kudos for drinking your own piss (seriously). I've experimented with amanita, or Miskwedo as it's called back home. I think the feeling of intoxication from alcohol is what keeps me from diving deeper, as I simply don't like that feeling; so far have not been able to recycle mine but will likely in future. Interesting you went for the sage leaf in middle of your trip.. makes sense in a way.

So I go back to bed and just as I'm about asleep there comes mom with a tray. Sausage, sunny side up eggs glistening, bacon (crisp but not too crisp and still chewy) just the right size piece of sourdough toast and a small glass of milk it was a dream come true. I then ate and slept well! Thanks Mom, thanks Amanitas!

Ahh, comfort food.

Originally Posted by Lookyhere

I have tripped on Amanitas between 50-100 times and I have had tons of friends trip on them.

Oh yeah, why don't you share a bit about your experiences, I'd love to hear!

[Lookyhere]

I've eaten a bunch of Amanitas . I've had the fly agarics, but I had mass quantity of the panther cap, Amanita Pantherina.

The trip was not great. I didn't really like it, and my friends didn't care too much for them. We kept doing it though so...... It was a body trip that didn't really seem very visual. One on my friends always described it as he felt like his body was rolling like summersalts. There were visuals, but not really like the visuals that we all know of, they were different and hard to explain. It was like a big body trip.

One of my friends lived at home with his parents. He came over to my house and I gave him some, and then went back home. He took 2 grams dried. About 20 minutes later, he was in his room doing jumping jacks. His mom walked in and asked him what he was doing. He said he was working out. Then he said that he looked at his bed. Under his bed he had a bunch of dresser drawers. He said he looked into the drawer and he could see another room beneath his that contained all kinds of TV's and stereos. He said he climbed through the drawer and went down to the other room and he started bringing up all the TV's and stereos. Another 15 minutes go by and his mom walks in his room and he is bashing his stereo on his dresser drawer. His mom called 911. Ambulance showed up and he went to the hospital where they pumped his stomach and made him drink a bunch of chalk. This is one of the guys that said he never really got any visuals off of them and it was more like a body trip and like doing summersalts. I always had to remind him about "the room" with the stereos and then he would say, "yeah, I guess there were some visuals".

There were these 2 brothers that wanted some shrooms so I gave them an ounce of Panthers. I warned them repeatedly about how strong these were. They were self-proclaimed super-experienced. I warned and warned and then warned some more. I found out later that these 2 idiots split the OZ between them. 1 brother sat in a corner and pissed himself for 18 hours and couldn't get out of the corner. The other brother shat himself and sat in his own feces for 20 hours. The moral of this story is, if you ever find panthers and know that you have done a large quantity of muscarias, remember that they are a LOT stronger.

I usually just made tea out of them. They were ok, but nothing like psilocybes. With the Amanitas, if you asked me if I was tripping when I took them, I would say yeah, but I wasn't really seeing anything, but was tripping pretty hard. The last time I had any amanitas was 6-7+ years ago, so I don't really have any fresh memories. I just remember for the most part i didn't like them that much.

[Mario]

I bought an ounce of fly agaric from bouncing bear botanicals and enjoyed the experience a lot. I felt very sociable too, pure joy and love welling up inside me, truly had been enlightened by the substance. The feeling didn't last forever but the experience changed me forever.

You deserve 7,000 points for recycling it like the ancients used to do!

You've inspired me to try it.

[FDK]

I'd also guess there has to be a method to "Pull your piss" but I've yet to find it.
Any thoughts on an extraction method?

[GrandPersecutioner]

Hey y'all

So happy to come across this thread. I've been drawn to my bottle of dried amanita all afternoon.. thinking. Wondering.

5 weeks ago I drank 15 dry grams in a prepared tea.
2 weeks before was 10 grams. 2 weeks before that was 5g.

Its hard to find much on amanita trips. Anyone have good links ?

I had a couple of great times- although, I did the chyrsallis tek thing where you take a snooze and metamorphose. Problem was, me and my g.f awoke 7 hours later after weird dreams. Should set the alarm for 20 or 45 mins. Dont ask me why. We had weird dreams. When I say weird, I mean we were trippping but couldnt remember it. On the previous doses i'd call the whole experience 'drunken euphoria, with a blue tint'

I havent recycled it yet, but I do feel its necessary. Part of the incredible alchemy. I have the feeling that its gonna take 20-30 dry g to have the full Amanita trip, and then maybe drink some golden elixr too.

Seriously, warm beer doesnt phase me. Although, id be sure to eat clean, then fast and drink wheatgrass for a week and then sauna before I took any o my excretion back into my body.
Toxins and all..

Peace.

[alicesamanita]

Well, my Amanita experience was interesting...my kitchen turned into an oasis of terrorists that by throwing everything I had in my reach at them, I saved the world. I thank my cat, pepper, for jumping on a box I was going to throw and meowing at me, telling me to chill out. All in all, I have always loved it. I incorporate them with my various rituals and what not!

[BuckarooBanzai]

Heh...you want Amanita info?

http://forums.mycotopia.net/192504-post59.html (Amanita Muscaria: one seeker's observations [merged])

I'm what you might call a real big fan of those little buggers. I've been using them for quite a few years. Please feel free to post any questions.

And yes, I recycle by drinking my urine. I kinda figure if you'll eat a mushroom that spent it's life eating shit...what's a cup of pee?

Another way of thinking about it: there hasn't been any new water created on Earth (in significant quantity) for a few billion years. Every drop you drink stands a real good chance of having been piss already (and probably more than once).

And yes, I have on more than one occasion had the same batch 3 different times over the course of a night. Waste not, want not, eh?

Oh, and the secret to recycling is Kool-Aid, sugar and ice. Well, that and a healthy enjoyment of trouncing upon cultural taboos...

[GrandPersecutioner]

fANTASTIC!

iM TEMPTED, to poilitely ask if we may hijack this thread for the purpose of knowledgable admissions.. and information concerning Amanita.
Bluelight has a 'big and dandy amanita thread'. I just couldnt get accepted quickly enough before making my 'afternoon tea' yesterday.

Hey Myco, I thought about 'recycling'.. but "let me tell you.." I didnt have to!!!
If mods wanna move this or start a new thread-thats fine. I just really want ppl to drop the crap and start learning directly form their experience. So I need to share this somewhere. Speed is of the essence.

Or at least, it was. You see, the last thing that I remember before in engaging in what I believe is amongst the 'true psychedelic potential' of amanita.. I had a curious little vision..
I had my 45min nap after some moderate nausea and extreme tiredness.. got up for a walk around (cos I slept through my whole last 15g trip) and decided I needed some more sleep. I thought to myself 'hey, I just dont reckon most ppl know how to trip properly.. i mean, do they know that the mushroom consiousness is in them..despite whatever chemical name it is given.. do they realised it is a god? and entity?
..and nearly as soon as I thought a few of these thoughts, I found an Amanita in my mind. There was a gnome sitting atop of it. I ipcked the mushroom, the gnome disappeared, and I 'walked through' a door in the Fly agaric. I realised that I had 20g of magical mushroom inside of me, and that I was the shaman in this story. That begins an epic unravelling of time and space. Or re-ravelling.

Although I was both sensible and delirous enough to be imagining the width and breadth of the entire universe in one mental image.. and to talk and explain the epxerience to my g.f.. I will give only the major insights I recieved, for I feel this was a clean and universal template that was being presented.. and was also nice and neat.

Its a deliriant, yeah? Well, after my peak I could not walk without falling over. Not only the visual sense was condensed and slowed (distorted).. but my mind was working so quickly that I understood this new energy to be taking its time in healing my body cells, my mind and my spirit.
I give huge thanks to my g.f who came to lie with me and make sure i was ok. As I began my semi-delirious ramble.. everything came into pure focus. Recentyl vauge concepts became conrete truth. In particular, I was explainign the immense visual that I was having. NOt like psilocye at all- so much CLEANER. And realer. It was my own mind on supercharge, rather than an alien mind infesting me.

I was talking about waves..and wavelengths. In fact, I was physically experincing the polar reality of the universe. Of all things. I could 'see' this polar reality, and many other 'truths' I was considering, as very basic shapes. No grand landscapes of convoluted morpholiges, simply brightligh coloured lego bricks that were my own brain as they were the whole world. There was such basic simplicity in the visions, while being overwhelmingly packed full of meaning an detail.
The whole time I was rambling, and things were becoming clearer and more sensible- there was also a part of me getting quicker, and quicker and quicker. I soon new this to be an aspect the wavelenght phenomena and evetually felt myself humming in tune with the many various realites that I was moving through. With my eyes closed, I couldnt help but feel that I was coming up to the peak.. I started at edges of the conceivable universe.. and slowly, getting quicker I was coming right into tthe centre. Into the centre of me. Into the centre of one dot. One tiny point of focus amidst all the absurdity that is.

I explained to my g.f that shit was gonna get real busy. That I didnt know what was coming, but that it was gonna be ok. I likened it to an implosion. I was the rise and fall of oceans. In the cellular, all pervading sense. As it was coming in.. and folding up.. and condensing down I waondered what would happen as my mind imploded. would here be another direction I would need to unfold out into?
It was endelss. Infinite. The grandest thing, was how easily I was able to concieve of infinity. Something Id previously never been able to do.
Thankyou Amanita.

It was around that stage that I started to wonder if my cellular vibration wasnt just about to hit hyperspace. That distant, speeding collapse.. not unlike the bigbang itself.. crushed down in on me, and then expanded into infinite microscopicness. The world within, is every bit as vast as the world outside. It seems totally viable that I was about to be physically displaced into a new universe.
Instead.. what followed was like this:
My mind was way too fast for my body. This has to be one of the effects that the bersekers capitalised on. HOWEVER, at this dosage I understood my body could not yet handle the vibration of my mind, and instead of experiencing the outer world with an inner hyperspeed, that is when shit got way Delirious!
I just had to get some music on. But I couldnt use the mouse, cos every one click I tried to make, endedup being an involutary 5-6 clicks instead. Walking to the bathroom, I fell over and hit my head on the doorframe very hard. For every 3 seconds I felt present, there was one second that I was somewhere else. Almost like 'blinking' in an out of this reailty, this common wavelength of sahred expereince. I fell ove rmany times on the way to to the toilet, and made myself quite the mess to clean in the morning. lol.

It was pure hell, to have the computer crash half way through Pink floyds ummagumma. The syneshteisa that I expereinced is beyond words. No drug to this day, has allowed me that level of vivid visualisation with music. Vivid, but of a different nature than psilocybe. The kinethesthetic/visual/auditory synesthesia was overwhleming but amazing.
I managed to chop myself a couple of cones, which I nearly dropped several times. Then I did. I packed myself a cone from the floor, scorning my g.f for being so retardedly uselss for me in that state.. and then blanked out twice during that one inhalation. Deliriant indeed.

Um yeah. It was f*ckin radical. To those who just get sick, or feel durnk or whatever.. geez, I dunno what to say. This was every bit as profound as (5dry grams of Psilocybe subaeruginosa+25grams fresh)

I found the Amanita entity to be much more loving, divine and older (than immortal?lol) than the psilocybe. Mush more generous and caring also. Thast was my 4th time. 5-10-15 and last night 20dry grams. They were found growing under oak near a lake. A very magical grove to begin with.
Yeah, I hope ppl read this and throw out all those bullshit reports and decide to find out for themselves.

Lov3e and light
GP

[BuckarooBanzai]

Nice report, man. Gotta say...that is why I love 'em. Becoming that vibration and recognizing what is contained within your Self is an incredible experience. Soma indeed! I always end up with that, "Yep, things are fine and the universe is unfolding exactly as it should" awareness.

Now that you have made contact, you are going to find out something most amazing. You will need less and less (in terms of dosage) to get back there.

Also: very small, barely threshold doses (.5 - 2 grams) will have the most amazingly effective tonic effect on you. Almost like spiritual cocaine - just a boost of energy and positivity that is fantastic.

BE CAREFUL, though! I like to crawl everywhere when I'm in the throes of a good Amanita experience. You can really wail yourself falling because your balance is utterly gone. When you start to reel to the right, you are just as likely to try and correct it by leaning farther right than by leaning left.

Congratulations, man. You have made a very powerful ally.

[GrandPersecutioner]

Thanks Buck.
Theres nothing like a little human validation after the 'cosmic cacaphony'.

I have found the same with psilocybe. More is less, after breaking through. I feel like I'v even made a friend with Psilocybe Subaeruginosa. Your choice of the word 'ally' is precise These ideas flooded me, even as I was lying in wait of what was to come- that whether i'd had a drug/substance/entheogen or not, at the end of the day it is my brain and il use it how I want. Thats when I stepped through the red and white cap inside my mind, and came out into a different place altogether. I believe that there will come a day where I/everyone can and will create whatever chemical they choose without needing to put it in their body.

5-10-15g didnt phase my tummy- 20g, and I still feel crook a day later. Does one become accustomed to the nausea? Perhaps, last nights dose wasnt from mushrooms as clean, or dried for as long.

What a great thread. I betchya it wont be as easy to find Amanita next year lol

[BuckarooBanzai]

A. muscaria can usually be found in the same place, year after year. I have a couple of favorite patches that I have gathered from yearly for six years. A GPS unit with memory is invaluable in re-locating those patches next year...

There are a couple things you can do about the nausea, but all they do is blunt it. Nausea/drooling/blurry vision/dizziness is just part of the ride with A. muscaria when you go big.

Personally, I think the heavy body load is part of what makes it such a unique psychedelic experience.

[GrandPersecutioner]

Excellent! This patch called me for several weeks before I finally couldnt stand the curiosity, and walked down the path to find the spot.
But my psilo patches seem to move.. I thought that was there way of keeping me hooked up. So no1 else found them. Does Amanita choose its pickers like psilocybe?

Would one kindly tell me- I didnt pick the mushies down to the base- just in case. Does that matter with Amanita?

The weirdest thing, but I kinda started tripping when I got there- I began talking out loud to make sense of my eyes. But definitely after a thorny bush cut me, and I noticed the blood touching the redcap- WOW. And then, the rocks... geez- Iv been back since, and I think if it was a midnight on fullmoon some fairies and gnomes and such would probably come dancing through the portal.
I'l admit this: I mistook the the directions for preparations for my first several attempts. Instead of simply steeping, I simmered the tea at 188deg F for 45mins. There was barely any taste at all.
Do you think that destroyed a lot of the actives? If it didnt, im optimistic becuase the extended cooking time had 15g taste altogether pretty mild.

As im a bit of a drooler anyway, with a usually iron stomach I think it wont be too long before I talk with Amanita again. Definitely in the early afternoon sun. Light of every kind was just brilliant on this stuff!

[BuckarooBanzai]

Most of the cubies don't overwinter and come back in the same spot, except in the deep south and Florida where it stays warm enough for 'em to survive.

Amanita doesn't even fruit the first few years - it is too buy establishing the symbiotic relationship with the roots of it's host tree. Once that relationship is established, the Amanita colony will likely be there as long as the tree they are attached to.

And yeah, I think they do just kind of "call to" some people. I've said it myself in the past - if ya hear 'em calling, ya might want to pick up the phone!

How much of the mushroom you pick is entirely up to you, as far as I know. I do like to give mature Amis a couple of good thumps, though, to spread the spores around.

Enjoying the vibe of their little corner of the world is one of my favorite things about gathering Amanitas. I *always* sit down with them and meditate for a few minutes before harvesting. If I feel like the time isn't right or they are waiting for somebody else to find them, I leave 'em alone.

[steeq]

Amanitas interesting reads guys.