Plateau 3 or 4

mushroommaster7 · 07-10-08, 15:01

Who has tripped and reached level 4 of Timothy Leary's 5 different plateaus? Me and my friend got into a debate about how i felt i had reached plateau 4 and he thought i only reached 3. what is the difference from plateau 3 and 4

Santiago · 07-10-08, 16:19

The difference between plateau 3 and plateau 4 is some words, in my opinion. Everyone has different ideas about levels of consciousness. They develop formulas that they think apply to everyone. This is one of my biggest problems with a friend of mine who completely prescribes to Wilber. I don't think everyone understands everything in any sort of order.

extrememetal43 · 07-11-08, 19:58

i think the difference is at level 3 you are trippin pretty hard but your still you so to say. With level 3 id say 2 dimensional closed eye visuals. Level 4 you really start to lose the ego and definate 3 dimensional closed eye visuals. the room you were in would appear to be someplace else or at least a cartoon version.

firerat · 07-14-08, 12:34

I'm with santiago on this. What's level 4 for you could be level 2 for me. It's all in your head man.LOL

mushroommaster7 · 07-14-08, 15:55

but firerat extrememetal43 is going based on TIMOTHY LEARY a genius in this fields factualy infromation. you should go look up the 5 levels he potrays in his experiments.

extrememetal43 · 07-15-08, 22:32

Level 5 is beyond amazing...the rules of this world do not apply!

enthogen · 07-16-08, 11:54

I got to a level 5 once off of 65 grams of wet penis envy and some lemon juice it was scary as hell! and I don't want to ever go back there again.

mushroommaster7 · 07-16-08, 19:50

how many grams would you suggest to ingest in order to reach the fifth and final level?

mushroommaster7 · 07-16-08, 19:53

i had very definate open eye visuals and lack of time completely everything felt like a drunken movie.

firerat · 07-17-08, 09:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by mushroommaster7

but firerat extrememetal43 is going based on TIMOTHY LEARY a genius in this fields factualy infromation. you should go look up the 5 levels he potrays in his experiments.

I'm aware of Leary's experiments.

Whats "factualy" for Leary, may not be possible for everyone. That's what I was getting at. Your idea of level 5 could possibly be someone elses level 3. Or your level 3 could be someone elses level 5.

Depends on the person.

Just my opinion.

extrememetal43 · 07-17-08, 20:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by mushroommaster7

i had very definate open eye visuals and lack of time completely everything felt like a drunken movie.

the quik way is dmt...no doubt

swim has also gotten there on mushrooms and nitrous 2...http://forums.mycotopia.net/storming...ound-life.html (Level 5 trip: hearing the sound of life)

Godflesh · 07-18-08, 10:57

3 grams of dry pans, and you will understand.

Santiago · 07-18-08, 11:19

I use Greek letters when described the "5 plateaus" of a trip. Does that make me wrong?
How about if I use letters of the English alphabet. Wrong again?

"Nope, Timothy Leary says that that's called Plateau C, NOT Plateau 3. And he's like, famous or something."

This isn't meant to be a diss. Just make up your own mind where you are. It's *ALL* relative.

Example of what I mean:

If a guy that makes 15k a year finds a wallet with $500 in it, he is very stoked. If a guy that makes 300k a year LOSES that wallet with $500 in it, he cares about the credit cards, not the 5 bills.

firerat · 07-18-08, 11:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Santiago

I use Greek letters when described the "5 plateaus" of a trip. Does that make me wrong?
How about if I use letters of the English alphabet. Wrong again?

"Nope, Timothy Leary says that that's called Plateau C, NOT Plateau 3. And he's like, famous or something."

This isn't meant to be a diss. Just make up your own mind where you are. It's *ALL* relative.

Example of what I mean:

If a guy that makes 15k a year finds a wallet with $500 in it, he is very stoked. If a guy that makes 300k a year LOSES that wallet with $500 in it, he cares about the credit cards, not the 5 bills.

Who is this directed at?

Santiago · 07-18-08, 11:26

Err, pretty much everyone but you, since you seem to be the only one agreeing with me. lol

firerat · 07-18-08, 11:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Santiago

Err, pretty much everyone but you, since you seem to be the only one agreeing with me. lol

Ok thought so!!

Sorry, it's still early!! Ha Ha

TVCasualty · 07-19-08, 09:50

Stuff like "Level 1," "Level 2" etc. is just a manifestation of our insatiable need to categorize things and label them, and means little if anything. Your mind was blown, but it was only blown about 75% as much as it was blown last time? That's about the only value in categorizing trip intensity IMO, and it says nothing about the actual quality of the experience, or the insights gained; it's just a "whoa, dude" scale. Some of my most lasting insights came from doses of about a gram; probably "level .5" or something.

Shulgin has his +, ++, etc. scale, and if using any scale I prefer his over the others I've seen since it's more of a practical measure of your ability to interact with the serotonin-based world than a categorization of intensely subjective experiences. Others can better relate to my description of different trips when I say something like "I could talk on the phone in an absolute emergency, but I wouldn't like it" versus "I had no idea what a phone was, or what it was for."

Seeking to reach "the fifth and final level" makes tripping sound like a video game, and I would argue that there is no "final" level to exploring inner space. Once you believe you've reached the farthest place, the highest level, or the deepest insight then practically speaking you have, and will likely go no further as your mind does not think it possible. Each new place (or frequency, or whatever) we achieve cohesion within becomes the stepping stone to an as-yet inconceivable place beyond it. That cohesion is the tricky part, though.

Santiago · 07-19-08, 11:08

Wow TV. That was very well said. I am in all 5 levels of Agreement with you.

firerat · 07-19-08, 12:29

TV, you said it best!!

Thats exactly what i was getting at!!

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07-10-08, 15:01	#1 (permalink)
mushroommaster7 mycopsychologist Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 284	Plateau 3 or 4 Who has tripped and reached level 4 of Timothy Leary's 5 different plateaus? Me and my friend got into a debate about how i felt i had reached plateau 4 and he thought i only reached 3. what is the difference from plateau 3 and 4 __________________ "if you're good at something, never do it for free..."

07-14-08, 12:34	#4 (permalink)
firerat I SELL HOSE Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 633	I'm with santiago on this. What's level 4 for you could be level 2 for me. It's all in your head man.LOL __________________ Everything posted by firerat is in no way reality. It's all imaginatory. Posts in 1st person are in no way to be taken as fact. Imagination only!!

07-14-08, 15:55	#5 (permalink)
mushroommaster7 mycopsychologist Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 284	but firerat extrememetal43 is going based on TIMOTHY LEARY a genius in this fields factualy infromation. you should go look up the 5 levels he potrays in his experiments. __________________ "if you're good at something, never do it for free..."

07-16-08, 19:50	#8 (permalink)
mushroommaster7 mycopsychologist Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 284	how many grams would you suggest to ingest in order to reach the fifth and final level? __________________ "if you're good at something, never do it for free..."

07-10-08, 16:19	#2 (permalink)
Santiago Shepherd Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 600	The difference between plateau 3 and plateau 4 is some words, in my opinion. Everyone has different ideas about levels of consciousness. They develop formulas that they think apply to everyone. This is one of my biggest problems with a friend of mine who completely prescribes to Wilber. I don't think everyone understands everything in any sort of order.

07-11-08, 19:58	#3 (permalink)
extrememetal43 The Jester's Mad Chemist Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 417	i think the difference is at level 3 you are trippin pretty hard but your still you so to say. With level 3 id say 2 dimensional closed eye visuals. Level 4 you really start to lose the ego and definate 3 dimensional closed eye visuals. the room you were in would appear to be someplace else or at least a cartoon version.

07-15-08, 22:32	#6 (permalink)
extrememetal43 The Jester's Mad Chemist Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 417	Level 5 is beyond amazing...the rules of this world do not apply!

07-16-08, 11:54	#7 (permalink)
enthogen Mycophiliac Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 48	I got to a level 5 once off of 65 grams of wet penis envy and some lemon juice it was scary as hell! and I don't want to ever go back there again.

07-16-08, 19:53	#9 (permalink)
mushroommaster7 mycopsychologist Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 284	i had very definate open eye visuals and lack of time completely everything felt like a drunken movie. __________________ "if you're good at something, never do it for free..."

07-18-08, 10:57	#12 (permalink)
Godflesh Mycotopiate Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 615	3 grams of dry pans, and you will understand. __________________ Eye am Why am Eye

07-18-08, 11:19	#13 (permalink)
Santiago Shepherd Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 600	I use Greek letters when described the "5 plateaus" of a trip. Does that make me wrong? How about if I use letters of the English alphabet. Wrong again? "Nope, Timothy Leary says that that's called Plateau C, NOT Plateau 3. And he's like, famous or something." This isn't meant to be a diss. Just make up your own mind where you are. It's ALL relative. Example of what I mean: If a guy that makes 15k a year finds a wallet with $500 in it, he is very stoked. If a guy that makes 300k a year LOSES that wallet with $500 in it, he cares about the credit cards, not the 5 bills.

07-18-08, 11:26	#15 (permalink)
Santiago Shepherd Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 600	Err, pretty much everyone but you, since you seem to be the only one agreeing with me. lol

07-19-08, 09:50	#17 (permalink)
TVCasualty Embrace Your Damage Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,947	Stuff like "Level 1," "Level 2" etc. is just a manifestation of our insatiable need to categorize things and label them, and means little if anything. Your mind was blown, but it was only blown about 75% as much as it was blown last time? That's about the only value in categorizing trip intensity IMO, and it says nothing about the actual quality of the experience, or the insights gained; it's just a "whoa, dude" scale. Some of my most lasting insights came from doses of about a gram; probably "level .5" or something. Shulgin has his +, ++, etc. scale, and if using any scale I prefer his over the others I've seen since it's more of a practical measure of your ability to interact with the serotonin-based world than a categorization of intensely subjective experiences. Others can better relate to my description of different trips when I say something like "I could talk on the phone in an absolute emergency, but I wouldn't like it" versus "I had no idea what a phone was, or what it was for." Seeking to reach "the fifth and final level" makes tripping sound like a video game, and I would argue that there is no "final" level to exploring inner space. Once you believe you've reached the farthest place, the highest level, or the deepest insight then practically speaking you have, and will likely go no further as your mind does not think it possible. Each new place (or frequency, or whatever) we achieve cohesion within becomes the stepping stone to an as-yet inconceivable place beyond it. That cohesion is the tricky part, though. __________________ The danger of an adventure is worth a thousand days of ease and comfort- Paulo Coelho

07-19-08, 11:08	#18 (permalink)
Santiago Shepherd Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 600	Wow TV. That was very well said. I am in all 5 levels of Agreement with you.

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firerat I SELL HOSE Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 633	TV, you said it best!! Thats exactly what i was getting at!! __________________ Everything posted by firerat is in no way reality. It's all imaginatory. Posts in 1st person are in no way to be taken as fact. Imagination only!!

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