Looooooong Cubie Trip???

[BongShelter]

Recently I ate 3-5 grams of Cubs. I don't bother weighing stuff
anymore. This was a medium-large dose for me. I've definitely
eaten more...
Anywho, the trip lasted about 10 hours! Is this normal at all?
Also, it was one of my least visual trips ever.
Maybe the Psilocybin was all broken down into Psilocin?
All of my previous Cub trips lasted a very predictable 5-6 hours.
Maybe about 30 times over the last 10 years.
I've cultivated all but one dose. I tripped on fruits from the
same substrate batch a few weeks earlier and it was the normal
6 hour experience.
The only differences I can figure out from the last trip on the
same substrate are, these were from the
second flush, they were "older" than most doses I've consumed
by at least a month, and I ate a lot of aborts in addition to some
regular veil-closed carps. I also ate them down with a couple
of fat chocolate-chunk cookies which I'd never tried before. The
cookies did a great job of overwhelming that fungusy flavor.
It was my first time growing on straw/horsey dung, but like I
said, the first flush trips were normal length for me.
It was a very fun trip! I rode my bicycle around all over the
place and then hung out with some guitar players on the porch
of our local bar...I like tripping both socially and by myself in the
solitude of nature...
I thought I had Cubs figured out!

[spesh1]

I had a 5 gram dose of B+ on Tuesday and I was up for a good 8-9 hours. The visuals lasted about 5-6 but the mindstate was at least 8 hours.

[oibchip]

The chocolate in the cookies may have had something to do with it. I think that chocolate is a weak MAOI

[Freaky]

I made chocolates before with 2.5 grams aborts, and tripped for 8-9 hours. I am beginning to think choco lengthens trip time too.

[mushroommaster7]

i did the exact thing spesh1 did on Saturday though.... the high came on in about 15-20 minutes and the euphorics lasted about 2 or 3 hours after the trip... it took quite a bit to wear off, I'm glad i was in a safe environment!

[Shroomette]

Great thread BTW! I've been curious about the effects of chocolate with shrooms but, never tried it. I'm definitely trying it next time to see if I get the same results as mushroommaster and Freaky.

[the_heretic]

you know,
looking back through the foggy window of the past it seems that my few choco-shroom trips were a bit stronger than usual.
but then again...
it sure is hard to tell.

[HappyTrails3]

anyone ever heard of vitamin c boosting the effects? how true is this?

[adio9454]

Ive always taken some sort of vitamin C or multivitamin when shrooming. not sure if it does anything but when i was first introduced to them a friend said vitamin C intesifies it. But i have read that grapefruit juice or any other form of it intensifies some drugs (not sure about mushrooms) because it is responsible for the suppresion of your metabolism of certain drugs. making your experience longer/stronger.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/21/health/21grap.html?

[BongShelter]

I am no biochemist, but I am very well educated and have a rudimentary
knowledge about antioxidants and some of their affects in the body.
I find it highly unlikely that vitamin C or any antioxidant compound
would have a significant enhancement to the trip. I guess maybe
the vitamin C might help prevent the psilocin from being degraded
but I doubt this. I will do some research. The chemistry of the human
body is incredibly complex. Maybe there could be some other
mechanism...
For years I've been using a blender, throwing my dose in about 10
ounces of OJ or OJ/Pineapple and blending on high for 1.5-2 minutes.
A few times I haven't had access to juice. My "juice" experiences
haven't seemed any more intense or prolonged than the non-juice trips.
Point being, OJ and Pineapple are very high in vitamin C.
I just use the juice to kill the taste. Also, with the shrooms so finely
ground and the sugar in the juice allowing for quick stomach absorption,
the trips usually come on very quickly, in about 15 minutes or less.
Not very scientific, but that is my experience/perception.
Now MAOIs, that is a different story. I will experiment with
chocolate in the future! I don't really want the longer trips out of
shrooms but I would love to know if that was the reason for my
loooooong adventure
Thanks guys!

[Doctor D]

Chocolate is NOT an MAO inhibitor. The erowid page sums it up succinctly:

http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.php?ID=2571

Even if chocolate did contain an MAOI, (and it doesn't!) milk chocolate contains only 10-25% cocoa solids... not very much real chocolate! I think you'd need to eat a LOT of pure dark chocolate for any hypothetical MAOI effect.

Maybe you were just full and your body took a long time to digest the shrooms/cookies. I've noticed that my trips come on slower and last longer when I eat fatty foods with them or have a full stomach.

Q: Greetings,
There has been a long standing myth in my area regarding eating chocolate on MDMA. I've read that use of an MAOI with chocolate can be risky, but MDMA isn't actually a MAOI, right?

A: The primary interaction to be aware of is mixing MAOIs with MDMA. This should be avoided.

MDMA is not an MAOI. There is, however, a persistent rumor that chocolate itself is an MAOI. The primary support given for this seems to be something that Terence McKenna once said about the Mayan custom of mixing chocolate with mushrooms (suggesting they did this to potentiate the mushrooms with the chocolate). Regardless, we have not been able to find any solid evidence that chocolate is, in fact, an MAOI.

The point of confusion is certainly that chocolate contains caffeine and theobromine, whose effects may be increased when taken in combination with an MAOI. Many sources suggest that chocolate should not be eaten in combination with prescription MAOIs, although the levels of caffeine and theobromine are low enough that reliable sources generally say it is safe in combination with MAOIs unless the chocolate is eaten in large quantities.

Many people get confused between MAOIs, and the foods and medications which should not be mixed with them. As neither MDMA norchocolate are MAOIs, combining them should not be a problem. We have never received a report of health problems resulting from mixing chocolate with MDMA.

[BongShelter]

Originally Posted by Doctor D

Chocolate is NOT an MAO inhibitor. The erowid page sums it up succinctly:
Even if chocolate did contain an MAOI, (and it doesn't!) milk chocolate contains only 10-25% cocoa solids... not very much real chocolate! I think you'd need to eat a LOT of pure dark chocolate for any hypothetical MAOI effect.

Thanks for clearing that up and saving my time!

Maybe you were just full and your body took a long time to digest the shrooms/cookies. I've noticed that my trips come on slower and last longer when I eat fatty foods with them or have a full stomach.

I hadn't eaten in a couple hours and I generally don't eat large meals
anymore. I just had the cookies, a pile of mushies, and then 3 or 4
beers throughout the night. I doubt I finished any of them. I tend to
forget about beer when tripping.

The cookies were quite fatty and I don't recall what I ate earlier in
the day. I do eat a fair amount of fatty foods, but usually not a lot at
any given meal (it's a lot easier to exercise off that way).

I think the fatty food explanation is the best yet. Rate of digestion
would be a simple, sensible answer to satisfy Mr. Occam. :

Can anyone speak about what ends a mushroom trip naturally?
Is it mainly that all the psychoactives are all filtered out of the
blood and/or oxidized into simpler compounds? Is it the bodies
release of protective MAOIs or other compounds from the liver?
Some combination?