Holy Damn Brown Sanchez!!

[Nunyabiz]

This is a report from the brown mesc that was washed in a previous thread.. It was extracted from t. peruvianus.

First off the last time with mesc it wasnt washed and the dose was 300mg.. Not impressive..

At 1:00pm yesterday two friends swallowed 400 mg washed mesc.. Around 3pm it started to kick in light so we sat down to smoke a bowl and watch a movie..... ..... Then SMACK!!! apocolipto the movie was on and people heads were gettin chopped off and rolling down these stairs and the trails were WOW.. At this time it felt like being electricuted consantly.. Shaking and barely able to pay attention to any one thing for more than a couple seconds. The whole movie was so intense I couldnt believe it.. After the movie.. bout 6pm it was at the peak.. When eyes closed there was this face.. Like a dead man. Very detailed.. When I opened my eyes it was on the wall then when I closed them I saw it again brighter in a color such as a bright red or green. After keeping the eyes closed it looked like viens grew threw the head and turned into blood vessels. The whole time being shaky and electricuted.. So intense.. It began to finally level off at about 9pm.. Then no sleep was possible.. The headache was so bad.. Thought I was dying.

All in all.. That was a bit much for me..
Also I didnt eat before hand.. Only a small bowl of cereal.. That probly had alot to do with it.. Im so fried now.. Head still hurts a bit.

[EmmisonJ]

sounds like apacalypto definitely influenced your visuals. your experience sounds a lot like what i experience off it, way different than the syrup. the syrup seems to be more relaxing whereas the extract feels just like you said, electricity shooting through your body a lot like a high dose of lsd IMHO. enough to want to mix at least a little xanax with it to level it off, so much energy.

good trip report!

[buteo]

Damn that sounds intense. I would think eating less would help in the intensity as well. Great report!

[steeq]

Good write, I could feel the intensity as I read it. I watched that movie sober and it was pretty intense about the times the heads start getting chopped or a little before that. Its a great movie, but sounds like it would be a little much while tripping. Oh well, it sounds like you made it back in one piece.

Do you have the same reaction with the tea? I want to try making some Pedro tea; this will be the first time with Mesc

[Nunyabiz]

Wheew ... Well that was fun.. Finally normal.. Deffinately need some muscle relaxers next time.. While coming down the jaw muscles and neck was so tense.. That didnt loosen up till 3pm'ish today when I took 2 grams kratom tar extract..

Overall it was way worth it.. Dont yall hate it when ya under dose? Tea is good but a little weak.. Usually a QP made into tea is good for one or two.. I read the tar is much better.. Crystals is the way to go though.. Next time Id say 300mg empty stomach..400mg following a meal.. Unless some good relaxers roll my way..

BTW.. This is all thanks to Waylitjim's tek.. Thanks man!

[MycoChondria]

Mr. Sanchez sez, "the bounty of nature is limitless"

[EmmisonJ]

Originally Posted by Nunyabiz

Wheew ... Well that was fun.. Finally normal.. Deffinately need some muscle relaxers next time.. While coming down the jaw muscles and neck was so tense.. That didnt loosen up till 3pm'ish today when I took 2 grams kratom tar extract..

Overall it was way worth it.. Dont yall hate it when ya under dose? Tea is good but a little weak.. Usually a QP made into tea is good for one or two.. I read the tar is much better.. Crystals is the way to go though.. Next time Id say 300mg empty stomach..400mg following a meal.. Unless some good relaxers roll my way..

i hear ya on the muscle relaxers, the crystal seems like way more of a dopamine agonist than the tea (odd? since it's the same alkaloids or so i assume). jaw gets tight as hell which leads to a headache lol

[cuts]

Originally Posted by EmmisonJ

i hear ya on the muscle relaxers, the crystal seems like way more of a dopamine agonist than the tea (odd? since it's the same alkaloids or so i assume). jaw gets tight as hell which leads to a headache lol

I would definately say that when you do an a/b extraction on cacti you get very little or no other alkaloids besides mesc. With the tea you get almost all the alkaloids in the cactus. The alcohol tar extraction has less than the tea. And just plain eating the cactus would give you the largest variety of alkaloids.

[EmmisonJ]

i'm glad to hear someone else suspecting the same but have been told by more experienced individuals that a/b yields all alkaloids. my theory is that perhaps some of the alkaloids that share this synergy with mesc are not as stable as mesc and breakdown in the really high pH that must be used to break down cacti material. just a theory based upon tregar's experience with being able to separate some type of 'sedative' alkaloid(s) from the mesc after gassing. sure there's a difference between gassing and titrating in an aqueous medium but i can't see why gassing would yield any different alkaloids because hcl is hcl. that's what i've assumed that probably most of the alkaloids are either insoluble in xylene/toluene or breakdown rapidly when in the presense of a strong base / high pH. what do you think?

[cuts]

I am not well versed in a/b extraction of cactus. I just have heard from several members here that extracted mesc gives you the least amount of extra alkaloids.

[EmmisonJ]

yeah it definitely gives you a diff, more energetic, type of trip for sure. but i've had synthetic mesc (the real stuff, took years of people trying to pass off RC's as mesc before i found the real lab made mesc) and it was much different than this a/b, but then i was rolling too so that undoutbedly changed the experience i'm sure. i don't think i said a word all night i was so blown away and in awe that i literally couldn't speak. i had no idea what my name was anymore, nor did i care because a name is just a label to make you unique, that made little sense to me as i felt at whole and part of everyone and everything... i was humbled by the privilege of actually being a part of 'life'. i had no idea what day or time it was, nor did i care because i was living a different existence in a different time period at that moment. i had no idea where i was for quite some time, nor did i care because i was living in a dream. one of the most beautiful nights of my life, rivaled only by nights where we would double and triple up on pure mdma, knee buckling experiences. we left the rave in the early a.m. as the sun was coming up and i was in the car watching the snow fall it was beautiful. come to find out it wasn't snowing, it wasn't even winter. i was fairly quiet the following week just in awe of life in general. during the experience i didn't have that electrical energy the a/b yields, but again, perhaps the roll smoothed that out. guess i'll never know because i'll never find synthetic mescaline pills ever again. it was a massive-ass pill, pressed and the whole 9. i remember minimal stomach comfort, took it on an empty stomach b/c i knew i was going to roll so i try not to eat for several hours prior. no stomach discomfort at all until it come on hard then within a moment's notice i had to purge (we all did within min's of each other as we dropped our mesc and rolls at the same time). it came out like niagra falls and that was it, after purging we were all gooooone. with this a/b it definitely seems much different, the nausea seems to linger and never lead to actually purging. perhaps i'll roll with an a/b and see how close it is to how the synthetic was... probably the only way for me to really compare the two. sorry for the ramble, just reminiscing on one of the more beautiful experiences i've had the privilege of experiencing... and with my lovely wife and some of my best friends no less

[Nunyabiz]

After reading up a bit on the other alkaloids in cacti I noticed that tyramine can cause hypertensive issues in some people.. It can cause the release of dopamine epinephrin and norepinephrin. Epinephrin is adrenaline. So.. I suppose with a/b stuff your getting quite a rush of adrenaline as well as the mesc.. Just a theory though..

[EmmisonJ]

actually that's very believable. the funny thing is that i've done the syrup for years so i consumed just as many, if not more, alkaloids from the cactus than what's present in the a/b extract. i gotta say the syrup is more euphoric and can be sedative at moments, but the a/b is very energetic almost with a body load not unlike what you said tyramine can cause. so my confusion in this is, certainly i've taken tyramine before as part of the syrup without getting that effect. the only explanation for that is if there's another compound naturally occurring in the cactus that shares a special synergy with the tyramine to play it down, that's the only thing i can think of but then again i'm baked so i'm not thinking too hard

[cuts]

I have indeed had the hypertension problem once when i did mesc. And other times i didn't. My idea is that different cacti from the same species vary in alkaloids and also the upbringing can make these amounts go up or down.

[EmmisonJ]

tyramine is thought to be the cacti's precursor for mescaline synthesis, so large amounts of tyramine should very well go hand in hand with mescaline production under that theory.

problem is, we want mescaline, not tyramine. i've tried searching for ways to isolate the tyramine from the salted product but with no luck. i've been swamped trying to learn other chem rxn's regarding synthesis of another product i'm interested in so that's my #1 priority now, but after i've finished with that i'm going to try tregar's method of gassing followed by filtering with a buchner and see what different type of reaction i get. see if the tyramine is filterable like the sedatives. a mek recrystallization may be in order to see how the effects of the re-x'ed a/b are. needless to say if i get success with what i'm educating myself on for my "2009 project" (let me reword that - WHEN i have success with my 2009 project ) the gassing mek re-x'ing is going to be a piece of cake.