All who have used Salvia

[Shamsu]

I have grown and used salvia form many yrs now. And for the last 4-5 yrs ALL my salvia quests have had the same running theme. Without going into too much detail, I would like to ask if anyone has had any similar experiences.

I allways(for the last 4 yrs) start the experience with me being dropped into a grassy plain with rolling hills, filled with what seem to be pesants. when i land in this grassy area, the "pesants" come over to me straight away. Always a female and a male. never more than 2 and always in pairs. the pair of beings then greet me and escort me to Lady Salvia.

I usually have a question prepaired to ask her before i ever start the experience. After 2 yrs of gaining her trust and proving myself to her she no longer presents herself to me in her insect for, and nolonger hides herself from my sight. She used to only alow me to see her as a large praying mantis or as a female figure that was just out of sight in my perifreal vision. Any way, within the last year she has started introducing me to other "Gods"/powerfull beings. And recently(this year) while peaking on DXM she and 2 other beings(a dragon w/serpentine features and a Pit viper, neither of witch ever touch the ground) blessed me with another being or what i would like to think of as a guardian. The serpent split in two and one wound around and me, then when i was compleatly covered by this serpent, it looked me in the eyes and comunicated with me with its mind. and then dove into my mouth. this snake was allmost as big around as i but entered me with after convincing me to not fight it. as it entered my body i could feel its energy and its body curling up inside my abdomen. then it did something i have never been presented with in the land of salvia. It raised me up and showed me more of the true landscape. it turn out that this valley of lush grassy hills is really only a wheel rut in a road of a great city.

After many many questions and so on that experience ended with Lady Salvi telling me that she has choosen me to "spread the knoledge of Salvia" And that " the being that has joined you will watch and assist you with this great task.". I came back to reality feeling more refreshed than ever before, salvia usually leaves me with the uncomfortable prickly skin and weird body awarness(face slidding off and such).

Now when i visit Lady Salvia, this serpent allways comes out of me and is entwined in the visuals at the beguinning of the experiences. It does not comunicate with me but definetly makes its precence known and has taken over the job of the pair of pesants to bring me before Lady Salvia.

Even with small doses that shouldnt take me all the way to the land of salvia, are instantly filled with visions of the snake and then a fullblown experience that used to take much much larger doses to acheive. Like a single leaf or less smoked in one hit!!!! And when i give someone else the same leaves off the same plant they do not get experience untill i give them 1-3 large bong rips(5-15leaves) or a prepaired extract that is much more potent.

But without boring anyone with more details, does anyone have reacuring vissions on salvia, has anyone meet Lady Salvia, or these serpentine beings? Has anyone else had a reversed tolerance to Salvia? Has anyone noteced that while on LSD it takes even less Salvia?(great sinergy)

I have done reaserch for many many years and have come across others with incredably similar if not the same experiences that i have. after i get some responses i will elaborate more on these topics that are reacurring themes for me.

Sorry about the spelling and the leangth, this is my first here.

[usagolden]

that is an interesting story
my only breakthrough was on salvia
i did not meet any lady salvia
or chill in a grassy wheel rut
i was blasted into infinity
truly

[Oblivion]

Reverse tolerance possibly. Better smoking technique also possible. I no longer need to hold a flame to my bowl for salvia. I just get the cherry absolutely red hot and I'm good to go. All of my quests seem to be different. Never the similarity you describe. Nice report by the way.

[doodaa man]

Whats up shamsu ?
I only used salvia a few times. leafs untouched never got me through. I had to use standerized X's 24. Just a small hit held in for a few seconds. I did get recurrent expierance. The rolling hills with lots of color pesant children playing and a smiley sun that i could look at. I never used it with anything else just salvia. But i do always go back to pleasant land as i call it. Always fun and good time. never seen lady salvia or had gotten a message. and i did hear that the more you do the less it takes. I just dont' like the going into phase wound up like a dish rag. very uncomfortable for me and the unwind when i come back out. I still have a gram and only want to do it maybe once a year. Sounds like you get some neat learning for your journeys !
Peace
D man

[Shamsu]

Originally Posted by doodaa man

Whats up shamsu ?
I only used salvia a few times. leafs untouched never got me through. I had to use standerized X's 24. Just a small hit held in for a few seconds. I did get recurrent expierance. The rolling hills with lots of color pesant children playing and a smiley sun that i could look at. I never used it with anything else just salvia. But i do always go back to pleasant land as i call it. Always fun and good time. never seen lady salvia or had gotten a message. and i did hear that the more you do the less it takes. I just dont' like the going into phase wound up like a dish rag. very uncomfortable for me and the unwind when i come back out. I still have a gram and only want to do it maybe once a year. Sounds like you get some neat learning for your journeys !
Peace
D man

Dont quote me on this but i think that the max for inhanced salvia leaf(without just being pure crystal add to leaf) is around 29% so all these shops and online dealers are ripping everyone off when they sell the 40X and 60X. when you go over 30% you are left with a goo with leaf in it not an inhanced leaf. I have refined it to the point that i had dirty crystals, but still had cloraphyl

Next time you see these children try to talk to them. they were the first beings that i ever saw that wernot just vissions of my future(another story all together) or visions of the my past.

Good luck, in my experience you have a hieratky(sp?) of beings that you have to apease before the next will show its self. If you prepare a question Lady Salvia may speek directly to you. But she also like to fuck with you first.

I asked her where her powers come from and she didnt say anything she just blew me into a million peices and sent them flying through the universe. And i could seeand comprehend all the vantage points from every piece of me all at once. then after passing galexcies and distant civilizations on other world or planes of exsitance, she slamed me back together. I then said "I can see how powerfull you are, but where doesit come from. and she imediatly did it again, and after slaming back together again i didnt ask again. but latter experiences did eventually start to explain her powers instead of just display them.

[Shamsu]

Originally Posted by Oblivion

Reverse tolerance possibly. Better smoking technique also possible. I no longer need to hold a flame to my bowl for salvia. I just get the cherry absolutely red hot and I'm good to go. All of my quests seem to be different. Never the similarity you describe. Nice report by the way.

I am surprised you dont kneed more heat. salvia vaporizes at a higher temp than a bic flame reaches.

For the first 2-3yrs of getting to know this plant i was also very scattered for experiences. one was sitting on a wagon wheel whith the sun beating doun on me and i had entered someone elses body in Mexico!! i instantly had my memory replaced with theres and did not realize i was tripping out untill i started to swing back and forth between my reality and the experience. Or i would just have visions of indians siloueted in a black void, with tribal maskes flying by from 2 directions.

[Oblivion]

Not true. The first few times I used an actual torch. I bought into that as well. A few years ago I tried a plain ole bic lighter and to my surprise, I was taken. Since then that's all I use. If you have leaf laying around or more than you would ever use, give it a try. You'll see.

[Shamsu]

I know what you mean, but take it from an experienced grower/user, that you will not vaporive all of the Salvinorin A in the sample. i have taken ash of burnt leaf that was smoked with a bic, and then hit it with a torch lighter and got effect again.

Now this may also have something to do with my suspected revers tollerance, but there would not be any effect if the bic had vaped all the salvinorin A.

MSDS unavailable to back my statement but i am speaking from personal experience, and Salvinorin B is still up in the air as to wether or not its active, so maybe the 2 have different vaperization points. so when a bic is used you get one oer the other where as using a higher temp flame alows vaperization of bothcompounds thus leading to a stronger, more intense trip. (all speculation), but i do have greater results using a torch, even though i use a bic most of the time. ever try rolling a joint. not as potent. but that is also slowing the rate of intake.

Sorry if this is uncoherint, i had a seizure today and am all f-up on cyclobenzaprine and opiets for the pain. If anyone can find any reasurch that discusses the vap points of the active alkoloids please pass it on. i will see if i can dig up my original source to see if it is valid.

[apokalypse]

Just wondering, do you ever use a sitter?

[Shamsu]

when i first started i did, but i am one of the few that the salvia does not activate the motor cortex, I take a hit and lay back, and i do not move uround(when salvia is the only substance used.) I "Awake back in our reality in the same position as i left. However, I have never met anyone else that does this. Almost everyone gets up , or tries to get up and move around. Or the most common response is flayling around, while laghing histarically, with no memorey of moving, or anything being funny.

I have given it to people and they have stud up and walked across the room, then they ask how they got there. I feel that i have enough experience with this plant and its effects on my body that i do not allways use sitters any more. However I strongly recomend that anyone unfamilure with the way they will react, use a sitter

I can not express this enough, You Should allways have a sober sitter around to make sure you dont come out of it with a concution or worse.

[Oblivion]

I've never used a sitter. Don't think I would like one either. Kinda like takin' a crap. You really don't want anyone in the bathroom to watch you grunt and carry on. Well that's how I see it anyway. I suppose if you go balls to the walls with extract and are planning on ripping your mind apart, a sitter may be for you. I almost always smoke/quid straight leaf and am treated decently.

[TVCasualty]

Originally Posted by Oblivion

I've never used a sitter. Don't think I would like one either. Kinda like takin' a crap. You really don't want anyone in the bathroom to watch you grunt and carry on. Well that's how I see it anyway. I suppose if you go balls to the walls with extract and are planning on ripping your mind apart, a sitter may be for you. I almost always smoke/quid straight leaf and am treated decently.

That's pretty funny. Of course, we all take a crap or two during our lives that having a sitter for might be a good idea, but for most I definitely prefer going solo. I've never moved out of the bed or couch I was on when I've smoked salvia, but I've come back with my arms flailing around like many report.

My salvia trips have all shared a quantum mechanical theme but have all been quite different, too. Mostly I'd summarize them as being the closest I think I can possibly get to maintaining some kind of self-awareness while diving head first into a black hole. Once across the event horizon, the information download begins, but the diving in and coming back out parts are really wild and I remember the whole thing very vividly.

I even found a picture that struck me as being the best illustration of what coming on to a salvia trip feels like to me:

(imagine the hair is actually your face being sucked into the bong)

[Oblivion]

Oh so true. That image rings true with what happens during a dmt crossover as well.

[Shamsu]

Thats great TV...., it is a really good rep of how you may feel coming up on sqlvia or a low dose, that you does not cause you to leave this world. Almost all the people i have shared my salvia with describe the pushing or pulling distortion of the body, and body placement. And most low dose experiences are nothing more than that semi-uncomfortable Body placement distortion, especually in the face.

TV have you posted any reports on salvi experiences. I would like to know more about the similarities between your experiences. any running theme that is reacurent, even if its only 1 small part of your experience. feel free to shoot me a PM if you like. I am verry interested in learning how others experience this sacred plant, and why so many people have such a wide range of effect.

[TVCasualty]

I might have another one that's a year or two old, but this was fairly recent:

http://forums.mycotopia.net/storming...long-time.html (Salvia stays potent a very long time!)

[weeeeeee]

salvia doesnt do much for me escept get me leaning sideways pretty good its like my spine decides to elbow 90 degrees and i get stuck there for a few minutes i dunno just not my thing but i have sat and smoked it for days before

[firerat]

When I smoke salvia leaf, it always reminds me of that carnival ride the Gravitron. I get pulled into whatever surface I am sitting on whether it be the floor, the couch, a chair, etc...

If I'm smoking just dry leaf, I need to use a big bowl and try my hardest to cash out the whole thing in 1 or possibly 2 hits. Otherwise all I get is the Gravitron-couch feeling.

If I succeed in breaking through, I go to one of 2 places. Either bizarro apartment land where I'm still in my apartment (or where ever) but the laws of physics are completely skewed and I end up with my head rolling off my shoulders and across the roof bumping into chair and bathtubs and.....not a real learning experience.

or I fly. I end up high in the clouds looking down at the Earth below. Often times I'll run into someone or something else up there with me. It never speaks and has never been the same thing twice. Just eye contact and non-verbal communication. I don't know what I was supposed to learn from these beings but everytime I go, the images are clearer. I haven't been up there in a while due to Salvia now being a felony here.

Set and setting have absolutely no influence what-so-ever on which way I'm going to go.

I, however, do not mess with any extracts at all anymore. I get the feeling extractions piss of the spitrit of Salvia. The few times I did mess with extracts, the trips were very unpleasant and taught nothing. It just skewed my mind and made me very frightened.

[SeeingBlue]

I have to say that you aren't the only person to meet that Salvia Lady. I've heard other people talk about her. She's always hiding from you at first, then as you get to know her better she gives you secrets. Other people have described the same stories of the lady and rolling hills but I've never heard of a serpent or a great city. Really interesting, please continue your journey as I'm sure it will lead you to this city which has been unheard of as far as I know.

Oh and yes salvia has reverse tolerance.

[Shamsu]

Can you link a source for the reverse tollerance?

[dfar]

I recently got 3 healthy saliva plants and have been caring for them with all my effort.

I've only 2 experiences with them as of yet,
the first experience i smoked one medium sized leaf, felt good, relaxed but didn't get transported anywhere, but about 20min-30min after the saliva hit i smoked a solid dose of DMT and had a totally amazing/different DMT experience.... it was definably more Native American in content (horses, sunsets, deserts, landscapes) and i could defiantly feel a guiding presence... more coherent/detectable direction than a usually DMT experience...

the second experience i wanted to do an oral salvia experience a la the traditional method of the Aztec/Mazatec of chewing a quid of leaves and holding the salvia in your mouth to be absorbed buccually/sublingually. I had around 20 medium sized leaves that weighed 13g (wet). I chewed the leaves for a good hour.... balance was affected around 30min (felt like a moderate buzz on alcohol) but at about an hour my balance returned and all effects (seemed to have) wore off... didn't have a communication with lady sally or anything other than the slight loss of balance.... perhaps my dose was far below the effective range... i don't know... as well i have a pretty hard head when it comes to breakthrough, I've smoked saliva 60x when i was in my teens and only had the walls move and distortion of objects in my field of vision, haven't experienced a full blown reality shift... can't say i've ever been able to experience a level 5 or higher psychedelic expereince on any hallucinogen.

heres a pic of the quid...



thanks for the description of your experiences though they are very interesting and fun to read i hope you continue to progress and find what it is your after...

oh and say hi to Lady Sally for me if you get a chance

[Raoul Duke]

Ah the good ole' Sally D! Good to hear a discussion on this interesting plant.
Shamsu....sounds like some interesting visions. I get reoccurring themes also from salvia but they usually have a very circus/carnival feeling to them. Lots of Red and Yellow colors in my visions. The Gravitron description is a perfect one! There is definitely a pushing pulling sensation going on with salvia. On one of my heavier Salvia rides, the pulling affect was so strong that I imagined that my head was at the center of a merry-go-round and I could feel the gravity pulling me. I could see what was in front of me but if I were to look down, it was black. Like my field of vision was cut in half. All the while feeling like I was going around in circles and seeing the blackness coming up in my paripherals. I felt like if I were to rotate under into this blackness that I would no longer exist. I was fighting it but then I finally let go and slipped into the blackness. I didn't stay long as I slipped back into the carnival setting and then into the darkness. This started to get faster to where it almost became a flicker (like an old projection movie) Carnival-blackness-carnival-blackness....I could see something in the darkness but couldn't quite make it out. As my stays in the darkness were getting longer, I could see the silhouettes of two people. It was the Vitrovious man on one side with arms raised and on the left was a Vitrovious woman also with arms raised. Their arms meet at just the fingers and the negative shape in between the 2 bodies made up an old archway door. Very Midevil looking...heavy wood with old iron clacker. The door slowly starts to open and a bright light could be seen emanating from behind the door. The door is only about a third open and the light is starting to get really bright when it starts to close. No wait! I want to see what is on the other side. As soon as I thought that, I was rocketed back to reality. As I'm coming out of the darkness I get this feeling like I have been gone for years, total time deprivation.... As silly as it sounds, I was expecting to come to and have all my friends and family standing over me wondering where I've been. This is the closest I've come to breaking through.
As for the whole reverse tolerance thing...Yup! Sally is a weird plant. Once you learn how to unlock the magic it seems to take less. I've had some good trips off of amounts that were really small. I've noticed this from not just personal experience but from introducing friends to her.
Just curious about peoples first times smoking it. The first bong load I got nothing from so waited till the next day. Holy shit! That second time was amazing! Full out of body experience. So I began to notice that anyone who I introduced Salvia to would not get anything the first try. Sort of like a lot of report on peoples first time smoking MJ.

[Shamsu]

Originally Posted by Raoul Duke

Ah the good ole' Sally D! Good to hear a discussion on this interesting plant.

As for the whole reverse tolerance thing...Yup! Sally is a weird plant. Once you learn how to unlock the magic it seems to take less. I've had some good trips off of amounts that were really small. I've noticed this from not just personal experience but from introducing friends to her.
Just curious about peoples first times smoking it. The first bong load I got nothing from so waited till the next day. Holy shit! That second time was amazing! Full out of body experience. So I began to notice that anyone who I introduced Salvia to would not get anything the first try. Sort of like a lot of report on peoples first time smoking MJ.

The first time i ripped a bong, all i saw was Tie dye!!! like someone had a blanket of tie dye colors and drapped it in front of me and shook it. every where i looked was just tie dye. then bang i was back in my living room with everything in front of me visible again.

But no repeat of such visuals.

[Shamsu]

Originally Posted by dfar

the second experience i wanted to do an oral salvia experience a la the traditional method of the Aztec/Mazatec of chewing a quid of leaves and holding the salvia in your mouth to be absorbed buccually/sublingually. I had around 20 medium sized leaves that weighed 13g (wet). I chewed the leaves for a good hour.... balance was affected around 30min (felt like a moderate buzz on alcohol) but at about an hour my balance returned and all effects (seemed to have) wore off... didn't have a communication with lady sally or anything other than the slight loss of balance.... perhaps my dose was far below the effective range... i don't know... as well i have a pretty hard head when it comes to breakthrough,

As for dose. when i started out i was using 18-20 leaves per quid, but i was using 2 quids at a time. cant remember where i read it, but somewhere there was a refernce to the traditional ritual use, as described by a english observer. And 2 quids makes for a light but much longer experience. you dont necicarily break through but you stay above base line for 1-2 hrs. its nice to relax in nature or a garden when using the buccal method. but anyone used to the smoked salvia, will probabbly be disapointed in the intensity department. And I also dont seem to get that back and forth feeling of being transported to salvia land and back into my own body multiple times, like coming off a smoked dose. It is more of a melding of salvia land and reality. verry subdued and gentile compared to smoking.

[SeeingBlue]

Originally Posted by Shamsu

Can you link a source for the reverse tollerance?

No, I don't think you'll find any scientific evidence answering that, but it's obvious looking at people who use it.

[Shamsu]

Well i have another weird event concerning Lady Salvia. I was on LSD and LSA with my cousin and he asked me for some salvia. He had never tried it and he were allready on the equvelant of 12 hits each. So i started him off on some regular leaf, small dose, mostlikly not even breakthrough. just in case the lsd made it stronger. but nothing happend and i packed twice as much about 10-15min later. again nothing. so i filled the bowl and he wanted some 20X on it. I put just a sprincle on . again nothing. so he was drowsy from the LSA and went to go lay down in his tent. he came out latter telling me that after he got into his ten the salvia slowly came over him and from his description it was a medium dose effect. and his time dialation strong. he thought he had been in his tent for close to 8 hrs, when it was only 2-4 min after looking at his watch. And i frequently combine the 2, its nice and takes much less, just makes your visuals explode.

I have never seen any one, sober or not, have such a delaid reaction. the slowest ive seen it come on besides him was no more than 2 min.

[tenjin]

Originally Posted by Shamsu

And i frequently combine the 2, its nice and takes much less, just makes your visuals explode.

I too have noticed this with Sally in conjunction with other psychedelics. The visuals you are getting on mushies, for example, come more alive, spin faster and more profound. Also, the sometimes uncomfortable gravity feeling isn't as bad for some reason but the visuals you are getting already from the substance you are on, all of a sudden "explode" when Sally comes on.

[seeker]

I dreamed just last weekend of this combination. I burned a very small quantity of powdered cactus (6.4g by toss-and-wash), which yielded a euphoric feeling. Two hours in I decided to meditate with six droppers of salvia tincture. After 30 minutes I grew restless, opened my eyes, and rejoined the flow of everyday household activities. I was amazed to find myself in the midst of a full trip with moderate open-eyed visuals and a heightened sensitivity to others' moods, feelings, and thoughts. The effects were much stronger than those experienced a week prior with 12.8g of the same cactus powder. Very nice effect!

[Shadowlord]

You are burning your cactus powder?
Are you smoking it? Does this work for you?
I know it is sold as incense but never actually used it as such.

[mystic]

I have never smokes sally myself but this thread was a great read. It seems to me to be scary. You all taking huge loads and seeing this mistress sally has re-piqued my intrest. Recently my aunt smoked some sally and had a real mellow trip while the person she was smoking with did the same amount and went hyper-space. Hmmmm maybe ill try this again after I get my dancing feet back on.

[seeker]

Shadowlord, because it is sold as incense and not for ingestion, I generally speak of burning it. Only in dreams would I toss-and-wash cactus powder.

Incidentally, cactus is new to me. I have read about it for years but have been dissuaded from developing a relationship with it by the stories of elaborate preparation requirements and nausea. I have dreamed of cactus weekly for the past four weeks, and I have found the powder to be an excellent source of inspiration. I have been especially thrilled to learn that it requires no processing of any kind to provide nausea free experiences at the modest quantities I enjoy. The aroma has been an excellent accompaniment to everyday life with my wife and children.

[Calaquendi]

Great thread dude...

I have limited experience w salvia - always smoked...always found it interestingly weird. Many of my friends dont like it - and i see why - plastikland....

I howver, seeem to sense something beautiful, but I want to chew fresh leaves...I heard it much different, and will do so someday, I've heard and read many accounts upon seeing the "Lady" ..Ska Pastoria!!!

Good writup bro...

[MycoRunner]

Has anyone ever heard of chewing an extract, or does it only work with wet leaves? I tried Salvia a while ago and had a terrible experience where I just couldnt move, felt uncomfortable and didn't remember really what happened afterward, but after several years, I'm thinking of trying again.

Any suggestions? Maybe smoke less this time?

[sydbarrett25]

Yo, just tried some salvia yesterday, and probably didn't have the breakthrough experience but it was still very interesting. I was listening to some strawberry alarm clock and decided to finally smoke it during the end of this song.

I didn't have any visuals, it could be due to that the salvia was a 5x standardized extract from Bouncing bear. But i was sitting under the sun and started to sweat, then eventually i started tripping while i was talking and i could feel all the sweat on my face coming out of me or going back into me, it felt like my face was melting in a strange sort of way. After i got done talking i just felt so good and started laughing very happily after trying to explain what was happening. The sun whent behind some clouds and it put a strange vibe over the area. But I was high the whole time i heard this song and it made me very happy. The first song which made me try it is Sitting with the Guru, and the second song was the one i was listening to while high, Go Back (You're Going the Wrong Way).

It probably only lasted 2 minutes, then had a body high or afterglow for like 10 mins. Anyway it was interesting, I feel that we shouldn't abuse plants or psychedelics in any way, i feel that i had a good experience, but didn't get the crazy trip that everyone else talks about or the absent minded people who don't do drugs kinda trip, who smoke it to laugh at their friends. Psychedelics are very interesting i can't describe the melting feeling i had in my face, but I am very glad to have had it.

[raveneye]

Originally Posted by sydbarrett25

Psychedelics are very interesting i can't describe the melting feeling i had in my face, but I am very glad to have had it.

Ahh that made me smile. Thats just the beginning of you and everything you've ever known melting into the either.
Glad to hear.
Keep on truckin....

[Shamsu]

Originally Posted by Calaquendi

Great thread dude...

I have limited experience w salvia - always smoked...always found it interestingly weird. Many of my friends dont like it - and i see why - plastikland....

I howver, seeem to sense something beautiful, but I want to chew fresh leaves...I heard it much different, and will do so someday, I've heard and read many accounts upon seeing the "Lady" ..Ska Pastoria!!!

Good writup bro...

thanks man, and there is something very special about this plant. it is the only plant/chemical that really made me question the eggsistance of other realities/universes. and the abbility to open a window or dor to these other universes, or even travel between our reality and others.

If you do get ahold of some fresh leaves for doing the buccal method, make sure you use enough and do be surprised if it is nothing like smoking it.

when i use quids, i take 15-20 fresh leaves per quid and use 2 quids at a time to get any effects, where as one leaf smoked will yeild great effect(for me).

Hold it in your mouth as long as you can stan(tastes prety bad), and dont swallow the spit. let the quid soak up the seliva in your mouth and slightly chew the leaf at the same time to keep the saliva going in and out of the quid to maximize absorbtion. this comes on much slower(30-70min) and lasts much longer(1-4hr for me).