Anxious/Nervous Energy before blasting off?

[DivineMomentsofTruth]

I always get this nervous/second guessing anxious energy right before im about to blast off. i think its because the first time i smoked it i smoked 40 mgs of 5meodmt on 2 hits of RC and i thought i killed myself. it turns out to be the best experience of my life later on. i basically became god but realized no one is supposed to see something like that or have that power and it geeked me out. but after i came down it was so auxilarating and awesome but during the time it was insanity at its best.

it goes without saying that the only thing you should fear is fear itself, but how do i go about getting rid of it. do you say i just go for it? i dont want to take any benzos or anything that might alter my trip. i know 5meoDMT and NN DMT are different but is NN DMT less a panic inducing trip than 5meoDMT. i have heard 5meoDMT called the Power and NN DMT called the Glory. anyone else hear this? this guy did an experiment with both on erowid, seperately and together.

I mean i love the trip A LOT and i have smoked 5meoDMT a bunch but my heart racing gives me anxiety. usually if i get into that headspace like for instance i smoke a tiny bit and come up, then i can go about smoking A LOT but its hard to just blast off right away. which is what i want to do.

I was just wondering if you have any insight as to any of you guys out there having this same type situation and how or if you got over it or how you go about getting through the nervous energy. does meditation help a lot? because that does seem to sooth my soul... im just lost here. thanks for your time.

[BuckarooBanzai]

Meditation and mental preparation help me a lot.

I think fear is unavoidable with large doses of potent psychedelics. Fear comes from the deep lizard part of the brain that controls our primal fight/flight responses - the limbic systems.

The lizard brain does not like the pretty colors and patterns because it can not recognize or categorize them. They are "alien" and are therefore something to be viewed as at best suspect and at worst as mortal threats. Once the amygdala kicks in, yer hell bent for leather terrified and your blood is full of adrenaline and hormones (which jack your heart rate and blood pressure way up).

I try to embrace the terror. Fear is a fantastically intense sensation and bending it to your will is a high unto itself.

Doing other things that scare you and learning to ride through the response while remaining functional helps.

Just don't get caught up in a "master your fear" trip. It doesn't work. You can't ever completely master it - that initial DMT punch is always terrifying in it's beauty and intensity.

But you CAN teach yourself to recognize the fear and more comfortably ride through it to the other side.

[DivineMomentsofTruth]

very very true. you see, i was never like this before i smoked that 40mgs. even my tolerance to psychedelics ended. i could eat sooo many mushrooms without geekn or trippn too hard, like somewhere around 10gms dry. and then after that fateful night, everything changed. i could eat a half eighth of booms and tripp SOOOOO hard to the point where i had no idea what was going on. every psychedelic just rocks my dome nowadays. its crazy to know going into a trip that im going to have a an OBE and that its going to be SOOO intense. its like now, every trip that i take is more intense than the last one. and ive had some of the most intense trips that ive ever heard or read of online. its really just odd i think that that would happen.

[dimension traveler]

I just want to recognize and say thanks to buckaroobanzai for nailling this question so well.

I agree 100%.

[greenie]

i get the same feeling... and i get the feeling of being poisoned everytime i eat mushrooms. ill try BBs ideas, thanks man!

[DivineMomentsofTruth]

yes, 100% agreement with you BB. good insight sir. good luck in your travels and be safe.

[BuckarooBanzai]

Years and years of eating too much have done the same thing to me - I'm a TOTAL lightweight with psychedelics these days. No more 10 grams dry or LSD thumbprints for me, boy howdy - no way Jose!

2 grams of mushrooms and I'm well into the "don't want nobody around, just quiet and dimly lit..." head space. I go pure introspective at the drop of a hat. It is almost impossible for me to smoke DMT and NOT get a full breakthrough.

Once you make a habit of going way out, it gets much easier to get back to that insane transcendental space. But the terror of approaching that place is always present for me (no matter what chem I use to facilitate the journey).

This is why when I go deep, I ALWAYS use a sitter and my sitter ALWAYS keeps the stun gun on her belt. People find that funny, but I'm not joking about it a bit. I broke a lot of shit before a fellow traveler taught me about the innate value of the sitter with a stun gun.

I enjoy the places on the other side of that soul rending terror. But that doesn't mean that I always "win" the contest - sometimes the lizard wins and the Fear consumes me utterly. That is when the nice lady with the lighting generator touches my arm and calms my ass right now. 40,000 volts sends the lizard scrambling back into his hole every time.

[DivineMomentsofTruth]

damn dude we have like the same tolerance! yea ive done lsd thumbprints too before. shits raw.

whenever i get too fucked up i just lay there not knowing what to do. ive never broken shit ever when on psychedelics, i just blast off and end up psychedelic comatose until i come down a bit to see where i am.

[BuckarooBanzai]

I like to play around with lots of different things. Deleriants, primarily, can cause some very crazed and dangerous states. Very foolhardy to eat those without a stun gun around.

[sagiboy]

my sitter uses a baseball bat... lol

works like a charm... lol

very nice BB putting down in words what i always knew. (fear)

to Mrs BB. must not be easy see then man you love at those situations.
but atleast she gets to bzzzzzzztz your ass from time to time. hehe
good laughing material for sure. after.

[DivineMomentsofTruth]

so i went for it last night. i tried to do it outside and i ALMOST broke through. idk why i was so afraid, nn dmt is awesome, i love it. there is none of the fear that i get with 5meo. its so forgiving and beautiful... one cant help but stare and watch in awe. very very beautiful.

[Calaquendi]

Originally Posted by DivineMomentsofTruth

. i have heard 5meoDMT called the Power and NN DMT called the Glory. anyone else hear this?

Man...you seem to have nailed it. DMTurner called DMT "sheer enchantment" versus 5 MeO as "sheer force"...I think you're right on. I still haven't gotten around to five but lord I want some!

I think you are in a very common head space my friend. Even those of us who've been smoking for a while still will get nervous before a big one. IMO this never wholly goes away. I hear you too on the benzo thing, if you take enough it'll buffer the DMT effects and you wont get what you want. Smoking on weed is incredible, and can 'soften' the trip while still providing a breakthrough. DMT does not (typically) induce panic like 5 seems to illicit. Even though DMT comes on you fast, five is way faster and usually far less visual. I've smoked extracted chaliponga and stuff with five in it, but my bros are well rehearsed in the two and say the difference is big...

Good thread man...thanks and best of luck!

[DivineMomentsofTruth]

oh man, the difference is HUGE. there is literally like no comparison as to the come up of either.

i get tons of visuals on both.
maryjane actually potentiates it and makes it sooo much stronger for me. weed for me sends me thru hyperspace when im tripping and smoke it.

[Calaquendi]

Here's a cool link with McKenna describing DMT / 5 MeO DMT :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bliTmW_85ww

[redenbacher]

I've never smoked DMT, but I know what always worked for me when it came to rollercoasters. The thing is, if you're leaning back against it then your body is going to be afraid. However, when you're leaning forward and defying the fear, you have an awesome time. Essentially, it's tricking your reptile brain (See? I read before I posted) into picking fight over flight.

[BuckarooBanzai]

I would advise extreme caution in choosing the "fight" response over the "flight" response.

Challenging fear and riding fear out are very different things.

The "lemmie see it, I ain't afraid" approach usually leads me into stun gun territory.

I prefer the harsh and grimacing smile to the open challenge. But then again, I'm a big fan of harsh and grimacing.

Different strokes for different folks...

[ponyboy]

Originally Posted by BuckarooBanzai

Meditation and mental preparation help me a lot.

I think fear is unavoidable with large doses of potent psychedelics. Fear comes from the deep lizard part of the brain that controls our primal fight/flight responses - the limbic systems.

The lizard brain does not like the pretty colors and patterns because it can not recognize or categorize them. They are "alien" and are therefore something to be viewed as at best suspect and at worst as mortal threats. Once the amygdala kicks in, yer hell bent for leather terrified and your blood is full of adrenaline and hormones (which jack your heart rate and blood pressure way up).

I try to embrace the terror. Fear is a fantastically intense sensation and bending it to your will is a high unto itself.

Doing other things that scare you and learning to ride through the response while remaining functional helps.

Just don't get caught up in a "master your fear" trip. It doesn't work. You can't ever completely master it - that initial DMT punch is always terrifying in it's beauty and intensity.

But you CAN teach yourself to recognize the fear and more comfortably ride through it to the other side.

kinda funny... swim is away from home reading these posts and getting all kinds of nervous hehe! swim always get vary nervous before blast off anymore, and then wonders why in the world swim was ever afraid!!!!as swim cry's with tears of joy and laughter!!!!!!!!

[ponyboy]

Originally Posted by BuckarooBanzai

Years and years of eating too much have done the same thing to me - I'm a TOTAL lightweight with psychedelics these days. No more 10 grams dry or LSD thumbprints for me, boy howdy - no way Jose!

2 grams of mushrooms and I'm well into the "don't want nobody around, just quiet and dimly lit..." head space. I go pure introspective at the drop of a hat. It is almost impossible for me to smoke DMT and NOT get a full breakthrough.

Once you make a habit of going way out, it gets much easier to get back to that insane transcendental space. But the terror of approaching that place is always present for me (no matter what chem I use to facilitate the journey).

This is why when I go deep, I ALWAYS use a sitter and my sitter ALWAYS keeps the stun gun on her belt. People find that funny, but I'm not joking about it a bit. I broke a lot of shit before a fellow traveler taught me about the innate value of the sitter with a stun gun.

I enjoy the places on the other side of that soul rending terror. But that doesn't mean that I always "win" the contest - sometimes the lizard wins and the Fear consumes me utterly. That is when the nice lady with the lighting generator touches my arm and calms my ass right now. 40,000 volts sends the lizard scrambling back into his hole every time.

hahahaha! holy s**t thats funny sorry that visual struck my funny bones!!! shock the lizard!!!!!

[someKindofDrug]

how could you not feel anxious or nervous before blasting off?

[sagiboy]

[DivineMomentsofTruth]

SWIM doesnt think he will be anymore considering how loving and beautiful it was. Before swim was struck with the fear of omg he thinks hes going to die, but nn dmt is soo much more easy in terms of the body load it presents. swim hates body loads that make him feel like he is going to puke. the only exception is puking on mdma. swim thinks its in everyones best interest to have puked while rolling no matter how many doses it takes, it feels so damn good. but thats besides the point. swim is just glad he went for it, tho it did take a little alcohol coaxing to get him to try it first. he wasnt hammered tho a little buzzed to take the edge off. it helped a lot but now swim doesnt need that considering how forgiving and astonishing real nn dmt is. thanks for the suggestions/help and support. you guys rock

[koldjgdaro]

Originally Posted by someKindofDrug

how could you not feel anxious or nervous before blasting off?

I actually posted a poll about fear/ anxiety on psychedlics.

In the 50s psychatrists were experimenting with DMT and when they gave too high dose to a patient, he couldn't remember anything at all except that he felt as 'something frightening had happened'.

That's from DMT: The Spirit Molecule.