a bad DMT trip ?

[cars2024]

got kind of a noob question for anyone willing to answer

i've done DMT maby about 20-30 times and have never had a bad trip to date that i know of -- i think i started to have a bad trip once but im not sure because the bad part was all of about 3 seconds and the simple act of rembering i was on a drug threw me into a world of purified harmony for the remainder of the trip... so that makes me think it was not a bad trip

on the other hand i've never used any psycodelic drugs becides DMT ever
--yes DMT was the first trip i ever had and i fell in love with it --
so maby im just so inexperienced with these things i dont know a bad trip when i have one... or maby because im just too layed back to have a bad trip i truly dont know

then i got to thinking about it and asked a few good friends around my area who i know would answer truthfully and NONE of them have ever had a bad trip on DMT (one is a 30+ year veterin of DMT) but now im thinking that maby because DMT does not produce that "high" feeling it allows a person to keep his/her cool easier

the question i have is... has anyone had a bad trip on DMT(smoked) if so what was it like and what do you think caused it...

[cars2024]

i might add that when i smoke DMT i tend to watch the visions like a movie clip or something so maby this has something to do with me not having bad trips... but wouldnt explain why nobody else i know has had one
leads me to believe its just impossible to have a bad trip on DMT

[ethnobotanica]

That's quite amazing that spice is the only psychedelic that you have done!
Have you smoked enough to have what is described as a "Break-through"? Do you use a freebase pipe? There really is no other way!
Except maybe to inject it or make ayahuasca

I personally have had very heavy experience's from spice, but never what I would call a bad trip. More enlightening then anything.

When I discovered spice I managed to get a hold of a fair bit and ended up sharing it with about 30 people. Out of these most had a beautiful experience but 3 of them did get quite thrown back by it. Two of them freaked out totally and I had to really work hard as the sitter.
Strange thing though, out of the three, one was a very intelligent but somewhat skeptical/cynical type that had enjoyed other psychedelics, one was a hardened acid head but quite the control freak, and the other was a totally "common" type dude with not much in the department of spiritual or intellectual views and was a user of ket, coke, mdma.
I might add that no-one actually had a technically bad trip as each of the three that freaked were laughing in amazement with minutes of returnig from their trip.

I think the connection is that the more right -brained creative sorts ( everyone else I gave it to) found it more comfortable to let go and enjoy the trip, although a few got "slapped" for being "greedy". The more left-brained logical types were more lost/scared without there consensual reality to hold on to.

If you want to gain a deeper understanding of the psychedelic state then I might suggest you try some psilocybe mushrooms for a longer experience, although not as intense as dmt. A much better option than Lsd though IMHO.

Whereabouts do you live? You might have fresh shrooms very close to home as its the season.

http://forums.mycotopia.net/wild-mus...d-my-area.html (Which psilocybin-bearing mushrooms grow wild in my area ?)

Be very careful what you pick and eat though, come back and check with us with anything you find

[lysergic]

Bad trips are definitely possible.
In my experience they are rare though.

I've seen many, many people smoke a great deal of spice,
and I've only seen a bad reaction twice.

[ethnobotanica]

Hey Lysergic, were those two people ok after the spice wore off?

[cars2024]

Originally Posted by ethnobotanica

Have you smoked enough to have what is described as a "Break-through"? Do you use a freebase pipe?

i attempt to smoke as much as possible when im smoking can usually get 4-5 lungfulls with a brakethrough about 3 out of 5 times -- yes we use a basepipe and sometimes we use a laced cigarette but the tobacco makes for a harsh smoke so thats a last resort

i live in Illinois-USA and im told that we have about 5 species of wild mushrooms around here but i dont know enough about mushrooms to trust my own decision on a wild mushroom other than a morel lol-- i do plan to grow some soon though

that is an interesting theory you have on the left brain, right brain -- im gonna do some research on that

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lysergic / ethnobotanica
were those people taking multiple things or just DMT alone?

[Calaquendi]

Hi Cars! Interesting questions man...I'm fascinated that the only psychedelic you have experienced is DMT - that's very rare! There are many beautiful plants and fungi for you to explore - if you like spice, my bet is you will love mushrooms!

As for "bad trips", my opinion is that these are relative. One person's total freak-out is another's ecstatic bliss. It all depends on the expectations, desires and experience that a given individual has, as well as SET and SETTING. This means your mindset, mood,and your physical setting - where you are, who you are with etc...

If you've never been scared on DMT - you've probably never really had a breakthrough, lol. At least I don't see how. Part of what I remember most about my first breakthrough (and many subsequent ones) is the gigantic sense of relief that I was still 'in tact' and alive after having warped into complete impossibility. I couldn't have been more shocked if a UFO landed in my back yard, seriously. Fear too is relative, we all deal with it in different ways, I'm not saying that fear alone is a gauge for spice, but IME if a trip isn't just a little scary - I'm not satisfied. I liken it to say, a big roller coaster, or a fun house, the peak of the ride should be intense. DMT is totally impossible, and I don't know about you, but witnessing or experiencing the impossible is in itself completely insane...this sense of awe and power can be unsettling. Some people innately cope with these feelings 'better' than others...

There are two sides to every coin. DMT can surely burn us with the same fire it uses to light. I still to this day will opt out of a spice-night if the conditions aren't right. Every time I think I know something about it, I am reminded - sometimes harshly - that I don't and won't ever get the whole picture. This is one of the best things about it.

The fact that it's a 'flash' psychedelic is appealing I think. No matter what, and that's a big what - we'll be back shortly so it's safe to go for the big time. I don't mean to come off like some authority on it, it just excites the hell out of me to be able to discuss and connoisseur this amazing stuff with such bright people.

I guess all this is to say NO-- it's not impossible to have a bad trip on DMT. Or anything else for that matter. The only thing impossible about DMT is DMT ...

Thanks for sharing man, and I'd love to hear about any experiences you have with other psychedelics if you decide to check 'em out! Good Luck!