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11-04-09, 13:48
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| Shaman  Join Date: Oct 2007
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i experienced it several times a few months ago. didnt understand what the hell it was until i heard it on the radio. heard it was called sleep paralysis. its when you wake from REM sleep, become fully conscius but unable to move for several seconds or minutes. results in hallucinations and panic. i usually saw a demon staring at me not even a ft from my face. not being able to move, i was forced to stare back into its eyes. and apparently im not the only one whose seen the demon thing. apparently a long time ago sleep paralysis meant you were being visited by a demon. ive even been choked by this demon before. and even sometimes i thought i've been drugged and people are about to torture me or something. but i did a little research and i found someone who had just about the same experience as me. he woke up to the sound of his door creaking open that he had locked before bed. he felt the prescense of something evil. then a demon jumped onto his chest and started choking him. they say most people will experience sleep paralysis atleast once in their lives. so anyone here know what im talkin about?
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11-04-09, 13:53
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When you wake up, sometimes it take a few moments for the motor strip to function properly. Some people are more prone to this happening, and are more perceptive to when it is happening. It is pretty interesting how the human brain functions. ggod |
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11-04-09, 14:00
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Hell yeah man! =/ It sucks!!! Itīs like the most hard panic :s It happened to me several times, but a long time ago...I hope it never happen again...
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11-04-09, 14:02
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what do you mean by motor strip? and for me i didnt know what was happening the first couple times. 3rd or 4th i realized; but still somewhat scary edit: motor strip = brain. thats what i thought. google confirmed it 
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11-04-09, 14:16
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Primary Motor Cortex: also called the "Motor Strip" is located on the frontal lobe of the brain. I would normally not give wiki as a reference but I think for basic knowledge about the subject it will be fine...... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_motor_cortex |
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11-04-09, 14:17
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No reason for fear. You are just one step away from a Out-of-Body-Experience. The next time try to "roll out" (sideways) of your body. And the "demons" are just images from your subconsciousness. The next time tell the demon to go home and he (or she) will disappear. 
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11-04-09, 14:19
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I think it'd be interesting if you were to do your best 'police sketch' of this 'demon' and compare it to what other's have seen. The topic of lucid dreaming/astral projection/obe is an interesting one. I've heard of similar experiences to the one described above. My best guess is that the demon is your guardian angel, but due to lack of communication it has become hungry for your attention. I know that the initial perception of this thing is that it is evil, but maybe that's just a perception. Maybe its just ugly, and lonely. Maybe if you talked to it, instead of screaming and running(or attempting to) away, it'd not scrunch up its face like that? Maybe your love and attention will restore it to its original glorious form, and it will pour many blessings upon you with this newfound union? On the other hand, perhaps this is Archaezenthion, Demon Lord of Underconsciouness, Ruler of the Dream, and he doesn't like being seen, so don't try and wake up within your dreams as you are nothing more than the squirmy thing in the bowl next to Jabba The Hutt. Bantha Fodder, so to speak, but with no stick or jedi powers. Ok, so, maybe I went a bit far there, but this is the edge of imagination land that we're talking about here, so some imagination stuff is bound to spill over the edge. Ever been in a dream and tried to run, but it feels like your body is made like a gummy bear? This is the same, but reverse of the above described phenomenon. Rather than sleep paralysis, its dream paralysis. Same thing really, you're trying to use your legs to move when you're laying in bed, or you're trying to imagine you have legs when you're floating around in your imagination. Crossed wires, or crossed intention, its like stepping on the gas pedal when a car pulls out in front of you in the mall parking lot (got your xmas shopping done yet?). I've read/found that when in imagination land, it functions alot like the holodeck on the USS Enterprise (TNG), give it a command and things should respond. I'm still working on a command list, and you don't have to preface them with 'Computer,' but its your headspace that you're in, so you should be able to have some sort of overall control, even without actually seeing the strings or the switches they're attached to. Ok, I guess that might seem a little out there, lets try a different approach. I know its kinda a scary moment, but try talking to the demon. You'll probably find out that its not a demon after all. Might change into someone you know, or a younger version of you that's been lost all these years, or who knows. Lucid dreaming books generally have included among the various steps to get to 'dream flight' (what everyone wants to do in their dreams apparently), how to deal with nightmares, and being able to stop yourself from panicking and running away from the scary monster in your dream who has you surrounded by magic leg glue, but turn around and talk to the monster. If you think about it- it can't physically harm you, the worst that is gonna happen is you might fall out of bed. What it can do is balloon itself up and make scary noises like the Wizard of Oz, but ultimately, you're in a dream, and this thing is in your head, so you must use your head to deal with it. That's the general theory, If there really is a Demon Master of All Dreams, then he's playing by some pretty specific rules, which doesn't make him much of a master after all. Its your sandbox, don't let the dust devil knock your castle over!
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11-04-09, 14:23
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This is a very interesting aspect of psychology, and since it is an emerging science, new research is always basing new conclusions. | |
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11-04-09, 14:26
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that what i was thinkin nightflyer. but the first couple times i had no idea what the fuck was going on. so it was scary then. hopefully not so much next time. now that i think about it. i remember the last 2 times i knew it was happening to me again. but this was before i knew it was called sleep paralysis and to be quite normal. so i tried getting people to notice and come to look at me. so i attempted to scream out names but could only get just above a whisper. somewhat of a wheezing sound.
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11-04-09, 14:42
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wow beast. i wasnt expecting anything even close to what you posted. now thats a damn post ill give the police sketch a try. im by no means an artist, so dont expect anything special interesting theories on what the "demon" could be tho. if i see it again, ill def try conversing with it and see what he wants. cant recall if i've ever experienced dream paralysis. i dont usually remember my dreams until i get some dejavu.
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11-04-09, 14:54
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I had this happen to me every other night when I was in my late teens, and before I really took any drugs of any kind. I had the same feeling of being watched, and a few times I was also 'attacked'. I was amazed when I read the Wiki article on sleep paralysis last year, more than 10 years since this more or less stopped for me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis - the idea of being attacked, and often strangled by various types of ghosts and demons in this state is an archetypal experience, found in nearly all cultures.
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11-04-09, 15:09
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Agreed. I have experienced this "sleep paralysis" myself. You try to move but legs or body just feels like it weighs so much, you try to speak but can't. Now just try and roll out of your body. This is when it gets truly interesting. Now your standing beside your bed but your body is still laying in the bed. If you can keep from freaking out at this point then you could go on to explore this alternate reality. I personally have done some reading on OBEs and have never succeeded in learning how to enter the state naturally but I have experienced them on two occasions but both times I freaked out and jumped back into my body it was still really freaking wild though, something I will never forget. I was actually able to float in that state as well. I remeber first standing beside my body seeing my body laying there still in my bed then I hovered over my body in awe and I freaked out. I jumped back into my body and this is what was really interesting I could feel myself wiggle into my shell and sorta click back into place then I came back to this reality and was conscious. What was crazy is where I felt the click when I entered back into my body, which was the upper spine area, I was in pain there when I awoke. Very fascinating phenomenon like I said I will never forget that, it was amazing, freaked me out but still amazing. That occured about 8 years ago and has yet to happen again I really wish I could learn how to have OBEs on my own. Like I said I have did some reading on it before it everoccured and was never able to make it happen using the steps that were layed out in the books that I read. I would generally be very skeptical about such an experience just because I am a skeptic. After having it happen to me twice naturally and once drug induced I feel there is a good chance this is more than just the imagination at work but have no hard evidence could still just be the workings of the mind, creating such manifestations. Who knows? really cool though. | |
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11-04-09, 15:14
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Sleep paralysis is just so that you don't thrash around or try to walk while you are asleep and dreaming. It sounds like you had a bad dream and tried to move but felt the paralysis. It's not total, i've had dreams where i tried to move but i was held by glue or something and i tried and tried and finally moved. When i did, i started to wake up and realized what had happened.
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11-04-09, 15:33
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not exactly sure what you are trying to say stonehedge... if your saying my experience was all a dream, then your wrong. sleep paralysis is a very real thing. google it
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11-04-09, 15:48
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I had sleep paralysis many times, for many years when I was young. It feels like someone is holding you down,and your so afraid you don't want to even try moving. It does indeed happen in the time your just waking up. I also had scary dreams in that period,..I still do to be honest,but I can handle them now... But I don't know if that had anything to do with the sleep paralysis I had.
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11-04-09, 16:01
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I think what stonehenge is trying to say (sorry if I am wrong) is ..... Your motor strip is made inoperable during certain stages of sleep, so you don't act out your dreams and thrash around violently. Sleep Paralysis (SP) is considered a sleeping disorder, that is characterized by the person waking and finding them self not able to physically move. The altered perceptions (seeing things) I think are related to the SP but I would not think they are caused by the SP. But I am not any sort of expert on the subject. ggod |
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11-04-09, 17:08
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Oh, letīs see he wikipedias "articles"... Iīm a little scared about astral projection - and what about someone occupies your body when youīre out?! Nha...
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11-04-09, 17:21
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yea, wiki was the first thing i read on sleep paralysis. dont know how i skipped over it, but here is a quote Many perceptions associated with sleep paralysis (visceral buzzing, loud sounds, adrenal mental state, presences, and the paralysis itself) also constitute a common phase in the early progression of episodes referred to as out of body experiences. Mental focus varies between the two conditions; paralysis sufferers tend to fixate on reestablishing operation of the body, whereas subjects of out-of-body episodes are more occupied by perceived non-equivalence with the body. where are you seeing this about "spirits?" occupying your physical body while in your astral body? edit: screwed that up somehow... like i said its a wiki quote from the Related phenomena section
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11-04-09, 17:40
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To other peoples you become crazy, for you, youīre traped and left to live forever on other plane, dunno... I donīt like to think on this doubt =/
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11-04-09, 18:53
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Yeah, ggod got what i was trying to say. Saying it's just a dream makes it sound like less but dreams can be very scary. If you are awake and can't move then you have a more serious situation. But if we didn't have sp then we'd end up on the floor all the time and have to be tied up when we sleep. So nature solved the problem for us. The demon is probably something from your subconscious, a part of your self. Get to be friends with your demon and things work out better.
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11-04-09, 19:56
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thats just it Stonehedge. i AM awake. its not a dream at all. but medically its not that serious. spiritually ,if it has anything to do with that, could be a different story. what causes you to not move (which you are thinking is called sleep paralysis) is actually called REM atonia. this is quoted from wiki Quote:
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11-04-09, 21:10
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Sleep paralysis is very real and very freaky. In fact, it's one of the damnedest things I personally have had the displeasure to experience. On the other hand, it is quite fascinating to me for many reasons. I have not experienced this syndrome to the degrees I have read about - the "choking" and malevolent presences, etc. But I have had to physically exert myself and force my way into waking several times, almost always this is in the daytime during a nap. Maybe a clue here? Melatonin (or lack thereof)? Likely there are many reasons that combine to foment these phenomena, but ever since I have been 'familiar' with DMT I have made some curious observations: Occasionally during a DMT trip the whole thing will feel exactly like sleep paralysis - only then it comes replete with entities and feelings of physical manipulation etc. It can be quite uncool. My brother is sensitive to this peculiarity. His episodes are a bit more frequent than mine, and more intense. A few days after taking iboga he had several terrific and insane bouts of it and it made a deep impression on him. It sure is curious... This is a fascinating topic and one I hope to see more insights on. Great ideas being shared. Good thread! PS> Quote:
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11-04-09, 21:15
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I too had a similar incident with an "evil being" if you will. I couldn't move and i felt like it was sucking the life out of me, literally. I don't think I have ever said the Lord's Prayer and Hail Mary so many times. It was by far the scariest thing that has ever happened to me so far in my life while sleeping. I'd definitely like to keep it that way.
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11-04-09, 23:17
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this might explain the hallucinations Quote:
ive come up with my own theory on why lots of people experience negative hallucinations ,or more popularly, the demon sitting on the chest. sleep paralysis occurs during REM sleep. in which, the heart rate and breathing slows. the part of your brain that tells your body to increase these is still asleep while the other that makes you conscious is awake and requiring more oxygen, resulting in panic and a heavy feeling on the chest due to not breathing correctly. then bam! theres your demon.  edit: the panic you experience might be somewhat like waterboarding.... maybe....
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11-04-09, 23:39
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Great info everyone. I have been INterested in astral travel for years, and for years, I have practiced. I have Never been able to do it purposely i am ashamed to say. I mean, I have been practicing on and off for 10 years. I can now get to the stage right before paralysis, and start to slip into sleep, but keep my mind awake, but can never get there. I have read on the Vibrations time and time again, and get them almost every time I devote myself to it at night, but no seperation, ever!!!!! I have done it a few times on accident, and countless times on boomers, but Mu studies lead to no avail... tis sad fer me, but I keep at it...
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11-05-09, 05:10
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It's a small comfort that the article says the Hmong men of Laos believe the spirit appears as a jealous woman, so can be avoided by dressing up as a woman before going to sleep. :-)
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11-05-09, 09:15
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11-05-09, 11:38
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Ive had this happen a few times, the most vivid was when i was in rehab we were camping out in this desert and i thought i woke up but then i heard this intense snarling like a rabid wolf or something but i couldnt move to get my sleeping bag off the top of me at all i was just like vibrating really intensely as the beast came closer then i woke up sweating and breathing really hard AMAZED i could finally move myself again. oh and then like a month ago i was visiting my grandma in california in a city with a lot of gang related violence and she was sayin how the park behind her house had some unsavory characters in the middle of the night and shit, and when i was asleep i thought i woke up but couldn't move and was staring at her glass sliding door and the blinds were moving for some reason so i could see through and there was this huge black dude with a knife standing there who eventually broke in and had a knife fight with my dad and shit, needless to say i was paralyzed through the whole thing it was pretty nerve wrenching.. then i actually woke up(or came back), such a weird feeling when you think you're already awake and then you're totally wrong. |
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11-05-09, 18:31
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Ive never had that happen to me, and actually really never knew anyone that has. I mean Ive heard about in school and on tv just never knew anyone. Funny last night in bed my mind was wondering, and after reading this started thinking. Shit what if it happens to me now!? Kinda thought about for like 20 mins. Made myself a bit freaked out, and then fell asleep fine. Didnt even think about when I woke up. Really sounds like some scary shit though.
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