Ecstasy & Mushrooms

PartOfTheWhole · 11-04-09, 17:35

I consider myself fairly experienced with mushrooms and have always felt very connected to the earth and all living things while tripping. I know every trip is very different and unique but at the core I've felt more real... more human. I once had a complete break through on mushrooms; I saw that at the core all things are the same "energy". That all this "energy" is what composes god. I just feel like i learn some universal truth or some cosmic knowledge when I do shrooms that I would not obtain otherwise and its the best feeling in the world... AND THEN i decided to use ecstasy. The first time i used it was mostly meth and I did not really like it at all. Then the second
(very recent) time I used it... I felt it . It was the greatest feeling, supreme happiness, life changing thing... wow is all I can say. With a girl I love. Just touching her leg or stomach was so heavenly. I can seriously note the exact time that was the happiest of my entire life. But i guess it felt... fake. Fake compared to the concrete wisdom I saw through mushrooms.
I guess the point I'm trying to bring up is.. What do you guys think about this? With no effects on the mind or body, I think I would choose ecstasy over shrooms. But if I could only do one, once in my life I would choose shrooms. I dont know.. to my knowledge there can be no greater happiness then ecstasy but it seems so fake after I've done it

designlogic · 11-04-09, 17:44

Hippie Flippin is an interesting experience (mush + X)

X these days is often far from pure MDMA
I haven't even touched the stuff for a good 8 years
and have no plans to do so. Just not my thing these days.
Plus the fact that your sorta at the mercy of the folks
making and pressing the pills, unless your testing every
different pill you come across or have a really good
connection directly with the chemist.

Like anything, I think both substances have their positives and negatives

DanLarkin · 11-04-09, 18:29

For me it was like you said, it's almost like mushrooms show you all the secrets of the universe in a way, they change you forever.
Ecstacy isn't pure truth, it's just pure bliss. That one perfect feeling that everyone deserves to feel at one point. Mushrooms are all truths, not just the good ones.

sluis88 · 11-04-09, 18:44

I would have to agree with DanLarkin on this one. Nothing compares to the truth that comes from mushroom trips.

Just to throw in my 2 cents on what designlogic mentioned, I did X about a year ago at a desert rave...felt ok the first hour into it. About three hours later my friends were driving me home because I kept having periods of severe pain that I can only describe to you as having your stomach shred in a million pieces follow by uncontrollable diarrhea. Then the pain would reside for a few minutes only to come back again over and over again. Not a fun time my friend, I seriously thought I might die or be permanently fucked up. You never know what you are really taking when its a pill. Nowadays I stick to natural substances that grow from the ground.

Oh and another side note. I dunno about you but with X, I always had a major depression issues 3-5 days after my high. With shrooms, I usually feel energized and great the next day.

DanLarkin · 11-04-09, 18:50

That's true the day after rolling is always really shitty. I'm always grumpy and achy but after booming I feel like I just had a great therapy session for my life or
Something, just totally refreshed and amazing

MushroomJoe · 11-04-09, 19:02

I can honestly say that I love them both equally, but for different reasons.

Mushrooms, for me, are a way to get "deep" with some close friends or become introspective with myself for a while.

When I feel like just hanging out and being all about me and just "FUCK IT, I WANT TO FEEL GREAT!", that's when the MDMA comes in.

It has become increasingly difficult to maintain a decent connection for MDMA however. And I do distinguish between MDMA and X.

One is definitely always the other, but it is not always the same the other way around. Be careful with what you buy, that's my only advice.

It is a sad day for responsible drug users, when we have to rely on clandestine chemists and backstabbing dealers to offer us the shit we want. And still not know if its worth a shit.

potatocore · 11-04-09, 19:04

I love the mush. I love the x. My love for mush is that deep abiding love you have for a family member or mentor. It isn't always pleasant but it always is correctional. x is more like a cheap floozy that feels AMAZING but the next day you can't help but wonder what you got yourself into. together, it's probably the best trip imaginable... but overall, mush is superior, imo.

these days i'm into mush only though... i'm sure ill roll again but not for a while.

PartOfTheWhole · 11-04-09, 19:29

awhhh hippy flip.. thats what i want to try next. I've never done shrooms with a girl that I loved. Is it better than rolling together? You said it very well Danlarkin! and about the post depression; I didnt have it. I actually felt happier and more social? But maybe it was just a self fulfilling prophecy from my mind set.

potatocore · 11-04-09, 19:33

nothing makes sex more spiritual/magical/awesome than mushies. period. when i'm boomin, i'm so caught up in the "now" and feel so good that it seems almost a natural progression of the energy to fuck. but i know for a lotta people it's the opposite. xsex is great and all but honestly i'd rather just be drunk... that's me though. whatdya think, dannyboy?

DanLarkin · 11-04-09, 19:44

MDMA fucking is great minus the extreme thirst I get while rolling. Makes me tiiiired. And it's great, but it's really JUST fucking.

Mushroom sex is a whole nother godly world of sex. Especially with someone you love. It's like your love explodes into sex and then the whole world and the whole sky joins you in this magical expression of orgasmic bliss.
I've always thought the words ''making love'' were bullshit until then. But on mushrooms its possible.

marmy · 11-04-09, 23:22

This is what I am saying. I personally have not seen "real" mdma since I lived in Arkansas around a bunch of peeps from dallas etc. That was 20 some years ago. I have not looked for the stuff either.

Buddy gave me some pressies last year.

Hippie tripped with em new years. Did not really enjoy it.

THe problem is that the pressies were not MDma. Nothing I have sampled since new years is even close to what I remember it being.

I would say if you could guarantee get the real stuff, great, have fun... Other than that. You are taking a risk.

I have also learned that the " chemical tests" can give false positives that what you have is MDMA based on what other crap may be in your sample.

WHat do you call cola shrooming? That may be fun. At least with the cola, I have learned that you can "wash" all the nasties out of it.

Lazlo · 11-05-09, 00:04

Hippie flipping always made me feel confused. Like the 2 drugs canceled out one another in a way. Back then, i'd rather hit one or the other, myself.

copelandiaKidd · 11-05-09, 02:51

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Mushrooms are all truths, not just the good ones.

i dont have much to add, but this is such a great way to put it!!!

EmmisonJ · 11-05-09, 08:40

mdma and lsd is where it's at, mdma and mescaline is also incredible. i feel the opposite about mdma than you guys do, it's no more "fake" than shrooms or lsd. if you choose to view it as "fake" then it is, if you view it as "real" then it is. mdma, mescaline, and lsd is a 3-way tie for my favorite molecules but then i never have to question what's in my rolls anymore. always pure, uncut.

mushrooms are nice once or twice a year but for the most part for me they are dark, confusing, primitive, i don't dig them nearly as much as lsd/mescaline/mdma. if i do them too often i get nothing but the negative side from them so these days i only use them once or twice a year. mushrooms make me edge and emotional for the following week after use. they're the only psychedelic i've ever had that does that to me, weird. so over the years i've spaced myself from shrooms and sometimes go a few years without even partaking in them. mescaline, lsd, mdma, i can take every weekend for a long period of time and have very minimal negative effects from. makes no sense but that's how it is for me.

mdma and mescaline is an intensely deep, profound experience. i've mixed them a few times and i can honestly say, if you know your doses and dose yourself well then it's something else entirely. i was unable to speak all night and the following week i was a man of very few words. i just felt that after such a heavy, deep experience that words are useless. the experience is deeper than emotions, in fact emotions in general feel shallow in comparison to the extreme wisdom, knowledge, profoundness that is felt by this combo.

mdma and lsd is very intense. the synergy between the two is incredible, it's like they were made for each other.

mdma and mushrooms is not so great IMHO. you feel so emotional and it's not enjoyable nor do i see the benefit in it (for myself). mushrooms make me feel emotional anyway and the day after i feel almost bipolar. i'm typically not a very emotional guy at all so i don't like the way they make me feel, they just toy with my emotions too much. i'd rather steer clear of all that. ecstasy doesn't toy with my emotions nearly as much as shrooms but when they're together it's like that aspect of the shrooms is potentiated considerably. just not my bag. makes me feel like an emotional, confused, primitive man. i don't feel the intellectual edge like mescaline and lsd, everything is too cloudy. i want to try something other than cubensis one day and see if it's the same. i've eaten a lot of shrooms in my day but they're always cubensis.

Frequency · 11-15-09, 02:51

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Originally Posted by EmmisonJ

mdma and lsd is where it's at, mdma and mescaline is also incredible. i feel the opposite about mdma than you guys do, it's no more "fake" than shrooms or lsd. if you choose to view it as "fake" then it is, if you view it as "real" then it is. mdma, mescaline, and lsd is a 3-way tie for my favorite molecules but then i never have to question what's in my rolls anymore. always pure, uncut.

mdma and lsd is very intense. the synergy between the two is incredible, it's like they were made for each other.

Preach on EmJ! Couldn't have said it better myself, on all points.

How did I know I'd find you in this thread? lol

mystic · 11-15-09, 03:48

/me comes into this thread doing cartwheels spins a circle and take a seat.

Did someone mention candy flipping ?

If you have never tried the L/Mdma combo. You must. I can say this is my favorite combination of drugs thus far. Id like to now add into this equation a nice spice odyssey at the peak. I feel that is where the answers to a lot of my inner questions and fixing turmoil lies. I await the opportunity with bells on wishing it was at this very moment. I feel really strongly about the combination being a strong teacher.

We should all do this combo to better understand, get high and have a good time and then write trip reports and see if any are simular in nature.

greenkurma · 11-15-09, 03:58

I think MDMA is very interesting in its own way, but I agree it's of a lesser meaning value than mushrooms. it's just one of hundreds of discovered chemicals that deliver a euphoric high. When it comes to naturally evolved active plants and fungus, there is a whole world of mystic and anthropological thought that goes along with it. Personally MDMA kicks my ass and it takes a long time to get over the post roll depression. This is not the case when I consume the sacred cactus (san pedro, bridgessi), The feeling can be at times like MDMA, even better, however I feel like a million bucks afterwards. The plant was for thousans of years and cultivated and nurtured by very earthy peoples who have been tripping on this shit. This to me adds richness to and comfort to the mind. Although if mdma was made by a plant, im sure peoples would be cultivating and using that one.. If MDMA was offered by pharma companies, it would be a big hit.

theycallmejake · 11-15-09, 05:02

ive eaten hundreds of rolls, only a few dozen grams of shrooms in my 15 years of experimenting. x feels like the most perfect chemical has been introduced into myself. i personally like both, but more-so the pills. im from a big city, and have never really had the chance to experience pure nature on shrooms. pills were running rampant at the clubs and partys around here. x makes me feel like a walking orgasm. about 7-10 of my friends used to roll all the time together. it makes a strange bond between people. a close friend of mine sold pills for a looong time. he would come to parties with big ass baggies full of broken pills that he couldnt sell. those weekends turned into full blown orgies with girls ive never met before. x is a drug that only leads to pleasure. id loooooovvve to hippy flip. that would be a wild ride

ethnobotanica · 11-15-09, 06:25

IME the 2 do Not mix at all. As it goes I have stopped taking any "chemical" drugs and now stick to natural entheogen's. I have done "X" for over 10 years now and have frankly had enough, it goes no further than happy hugs, good sex, and marathon dancing IMO. I can do all that without brain and kidney damaging chem's nowadays anyway. Almost impossible to find pure MDMA now anyway.

I have a personal theory that the phenelthylamines and other synthetic drugs are basically the same as all those "artificial happiness" pills like in the film / book Brave New World. Has anyone noticed that in the book PIHKAL that Mr. Shulgin likes to hang out at "The Grove" with "The Owl Club", sounds very much like bohemian grove to me. Anyway, I'm not going to start claiming there is a conspiracy but the facts be that chemical drugs have many more side effects known/unknown than natural psychedelics. God/nature made these, not some goverment paid scientist.

Also, MDMA does create a "false" bliss that is quite pacifying to the masses. I notice a lot more apathy to the important issues in the world amongst Mdma users, who cares when you feel that good eh.

MDMA is useful at opening up one's heart but once its open fully its stay's that way IMHO. Its good for breaking down barrier's between people but once that's done its just a whole lot of gurning and having the same conversation with nearly every new person you meet at a rave/party, gets quite boring frankly.

After a decade of using these I personally believe they are harmful in the long run.

My experince with taking shrooms with X was very confusing to say the least. It was like the 2 drugs were in a competition to be at the front of the cue, each one pushing the other out of the way to be in charge. Very fucked up. If there is indeed a "spirit" within the shroom then I would say it doesn't like "X".

My 2 p.

mullugh · 11-16-09, 15:15

Im with you ethnobotanica. I hippie flipped recently and felt a slight inner conflict (still had a good time). Have had an incredible night candy flipping in a club - the music got right inside me!! I can see that they go together.

But like ethnobotanica, I am getting to the stage where I want to stick with entheogen's and leave the synthetics behind. I get sick of loosing the rest of my weekend and the come down etc.

prism · 11-16-09, 16:42

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Originally Posted by EmmisonJ

mdma, mescaline, and lsd is a 3-way tie for my favorite molecules but then i never have to question what's in my rolls anymore. always pure, uncut.

Man I wish I had that problem...

masteramyx · 11-16-09, 17:20

sex on shrooms?? honestly ive never even thought about this, me and my buddies actually dont really like being around girls while tripping. but im tripping with my girlfriend sometime soon so maybe ill give it a try.....if i can even get it up, ive forgotten i had a package while tripping before...you dont even really think about it

Frequency · 11-16-09, 17:45

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Originally Posted by ethnobotanica

IME the 2 do Not mix at all. As it goes I have stopped taking any "chemical" drugs and now stick to natural entheogen's. I have done "X" for over 10 years now and have frankly had enough, it goes no further than happy hugs, good sex, and marathon dancing IMO. I can do all that without brain and kidney damaging chem's nowadays anyway. Almost impossible to find pure MDMA now anyway.

With all due respect to your opinion, there's no difference between eating mescaline extracted from cacti and eating MDMA. They're both chemicals. Whether or not you personally benefit from MDMA is relative to your situation, not an intrinsic facet of the drug itself. If all you've used it for is happy hugs, good sex, and marathon dancing, then you've not recognized the immense therapeutic potential of MDMA. In comparison I don't currently consume any shrooms that may happen upon me, but I would never deny the power they withold for those who have yet to explore them, or even those that still continue, in the face of my personal current distaste for their effects, to use them.

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Originally Posted by ethnobotanica

Also, MDMA does create a "false" bliss that is quite pacifying to the masses. I notice a lot more apathy to the important issues in the world amongst Mdma users, who cares when you feel that good eh.

In no way is it any more "false" than the bliss gathered from other psychedelic effects and revelations. The apathy you're witnessing is relative to the user, not the MDMA. Think of it like this: Weed doesn't make you lazy, it just so happens a lot of lazy people smoke weed. There's a general range of effects, but what the specific individual takes away from the experience is upon them.

usagolden · 11-16-09, 20:47

i have tried the hippie flip before
i prefer candy flipping though
the L is so much jazzier than the mushrooms
combines with the E very nice

sluis88 · 11-16-09, 21:29

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Originally Posted by ethnobotanica

IME the 2 do Not mix at all. As it goes I have stopped taking any "chemical" drugs and now stick to natural entheogen's. I have done "X" for over 10 years now and have frankly had enough, it goes no further than happy hugs, good sex, and marathon dancing IMO. I can do all that without brain and kidney damaging chem's nowadays anyway. Almost impossible to find pure MDMA now anyway.

I have a personal theory that the phenelthylamines and other synthetic drugs are basically the same as all those "artificial happiness" pills like in the film / book Brave New World. Has anyone noticed that in the book PIHKAL that Mr. Shulgin likes to hang out at "The Grove" with "The Owl Club", sounds very much like bohemian grove to me. Anyway, I'm not going to start claiming there is a conspiracy but the facts be that chemical drugs have many more side effects known/unknown than natural psychedelics. God/nature made these, not some goverment paid scientist.

Also, MDMA does create a "false" bliss that is quite pacifying to the masses. I notice a lot more apathy to the important issues in the world amongst Mdma users, who cares when you feel that good eh.

MDMA is useful at opening up one's heart but once its open fully its stay's that way IMHO. Its good for breaking down barrier's between people but once that's done its just a whole lot of gurning and having the same conversation with nearly every new person you meet at a rave/party, gets quite boring frankly.

After a decade of using these I personally believe they are harmful in the long run.

My experince with taking shrooms with X was very confusing to say the least. It was like the 2 drugs were in a competition to be at the front of the cue, each one pushing the other out of the way to be in charge. Very fucked up. If there is indeed a "spirit" within the shroom then I would say it doesn't like "X".

My 2 p.

I have the same views. Although I would love to candy flip if I could get a hold of some pure L and MDMA

EmmisonJ · 11-17-09, 00:20

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Originally Posted by Frequency

With all due respect to your opinion, there's no difference between eating mescaline extracted from cacti and eating MDMA. They're both chemicals. Whether or not you personally benefit from MDMA is relative to your situation, not an intrinsic facet of the drug itself. If all you've used it for is happy hugs, good sex, and marathon dancing, then you've not recognized the immense therapeutic potential of MDMA. In comparison I don't currently consume any shrooms that may happen upon me, but I would never deny the power they withold for those who have yet to explore them, or even those that still continue, in the face of my personal current distaste for their effects, to use them.

In no way is it any more "false" than the bliss gathered from other psychedelic effects and revelations. The apathy you're witnessing is relative to the user, not the MDMA. Think of it like this: Weed doesn't make you lazy, it just so happens a lot of lazy people smoke weed. There's a general range of effects, but what the specific individual takes away from the experience is upon them.

word frequency!

the effects of drugs are subjective to the user

ethnobotanica · 11-18-09, 17:58

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Originally Posted by Frequency

With all due respect to your opinion, there's no difference between eating mescaline extracted from cacti and eating MDMA. They're both chemicals. Whether or not you personally benefit from MDMA is relative to your situation, not an intrinsic facet of the drug itself. If all you've used it for is happy hugs, good sex, and marathon dancing, then you've not recognized the immense therapeutic potential of MDMA. In comparison I don't currently consume any shrooms that may happen upon me, but I would never deny the power they withold for those who have yet to explore them, or even those that still continue, in the face of my personal current distaste for their effects, to use them.

In no way is it any more "false" than the bliss gathered from other psychedelic effects and revelations. The apathy you're witnessing is relative to the user, not the MDMA. Think of it like this: Weed doesn't make you lazy, it just so happens a lot of lazy people smoke weed. There's a general range of effects, but what the specific individual takes away from the experience is upon them.

With all due respect Frequency, I do not need you to tell me what i have realized/learned from mdma and what i havn't, or to assume what I have or haven't got out of my use of these substances. Very assuming of you, and you know what happens when you assume.

I simply stated my opinion and belief. You seem to stating your opinions as facts. Please provide substantiated evidence for any points that you claim as fact. If you know what is real or not real for someone other than yourself than please confirm this somehow.

There are many things that are therapeutic to begin with but still have the potential to cause harm in the long run.

There are major differences to eating different chemicals. What you have said is like saying that its ok to eat battery acid as it is just another chemical..come on man. Don't shoot down my shit with even more...

Frequency · 11-18-09, 23:41

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Originally Posted by ethnobotanica

With all due respect Frequency, I do not need you to tell me what i have realized/learned from mdma and what i havn't, or to assume what I have or haven't got out of my use of these substances. Very assuming of you, and you know what happens when you assume.

I didn't have to assume. You detailed it in your post. You said MDMA was only good for hugs, sex, and dancing. I was disagreeing based on what you said yourself.

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Originally Posted by ethnobotanica

You seem to stating your opinions as facts. Please provide substantiated evidence for any points that you claim as fact.

My opinion was that MDMA is not only good for hugs, sex, and dancing, but also invaluable in helping people absolve painful mental issues and connect better with other people. My basis for this opinion can be best elaborated by MAPS: http://www.maps.org/mdma/

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Originally Posted by ethnobotanica

If you know what is real or not real for someone other than yourself than please confirm this somehow.

The reality of MDMA's therapeutic potential exists independent of my own opinion ethnobotanica. Its independently verified by thousands worldwide over the last 25 years. MAPS has much of that information and I encourage you to read the research papers, reports, and journals from MAPS and other organizations to verify this information yourself. There's nothing like reading how MDMA has helped dozens of rape victims overcome their unwavering fear of leaving their house. Or how victims of terrorism in Palestine cope with understanding through treatment with MDMA after witnessing members of their community killed and mutilated daily from car-bombs and machine-gun fire.

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Originally Posted by ethnobotanica

There are many things that are therapeutic to begin with but still have the potential to cause harm in the long run.

Any substance used improperly can be dangerous. This should not turn you away from such a valuable substance with great potential. Any drug that's abused habitually has the capacity to do great harm. That's why it's important to educate yourself as thoroughly as possible when it comes to any chemical one intends on ingesting.

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Originally Posted by ethnobotanica

What you have said is like saying that its ok to eat battery acid

In no context could any of my statements be misconstrued into your conclusion above ethnobotanica...

ethnobotanica · 11-19-09, 04:48

I do realize the therapeutic potential of MDMA, I have read Pikhal front to back and have heard the reports and felt the effects myself (obviously).

And as with any "therapy", if it has "worked" then there shouldn't be a need for continuous use. I was not aware that it had been used for PTSD in war victims.

I guess the point I was trying to make was that many people are abusing it, or taking poor substitutes unknowingly.

The thing that is actually bothering me is what I see with my own eyes in the club scene today. Thousands of kids are presently guinae pigs for all sort's of f***ed up RC's and dirty pills that are out there being sold as ecxtasy. I really worry for the next generation and what side effects they might suffer with as they age.

One reason for this is the clamp down on an ingredient used to make mdma, now the street's are flooded with toxic imitations.

Furthermore, it should have been obvious that I was refering to recreational use of mdma as that is what this thread was about.

My concern is for the youth who are drawn to do these drugs "because they are good for you" if in fact they have no pressing need for them and in fact are not consuming what they think they are.

It wouldn't be such a problem if there was only good clean pure mdma about but sadly this is not the case.

If it wasn't a crime to make/possess/use something that has documented evidence of its benefit then we wouldn't be in this mess or having this debate.

Peace

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11-04-09, 17:35	#1 (permalink)
PartOfTheWhole Mycophiliac Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 27	Ecstasy & Mushrooms I consider myself fairly experienced with mushrooms and have always felt very connected to the earth and all living things while tripping. I know every trip is very different and unique but at the core I've felt more real... more human. I once had a complete break through on mushrooms; I saw that at the core all things are the same "energy". That all this "energy" is what composes god. I just feel like i learn some universal truth or some cosmic knowledge when I do shrooms that I would not obtain otherwise and its the best feeling in the world... AND THEN i decided to use ecstasy. The first time i used it was mostly meth and I did not really like it at all. Then the second (very recent) time I used it... I felt it . It was the greatest feeling, supreme happiness, life changing thing... wow is all I can say. With a girl I love. Just touching her leg or stomach was so heavenly. I can seriously note the exact time that was the happiest of my entire life. But i guess it felt... fake. Fake compared to the concrete wisdom I saw through mushrooms. I guess the point I'm trying to bring up is.. What do you guys think about this? With no effects on the mind or body, I think I would choose ecstasy over shrooms. But if I could only do one, once in my life I would choose shrooms. I dont know.. to my knowledge there can be no greater happiness then ecstasy but it seems so fake after I've done it __________________ "You cannot shake hands with a clenched fist"

11-04-09, 18:29	#3 (permalink)
DanLarkin Mycophiliac Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 29	For me it was like you said, it's almost like mushrooms show you all the secrets of the universe in a way, they change you forever. Ecstacy isn't pure truth, it's just pure bliss. That one perfect feeling that everyone deserves to feel at one point. Mushrooms are all truths, not just the good ones. __________________ {I am a girly! Not a boy.}

11-04-09, 18:44	#4 (permalink)
sluis88 Psychedelic Fan Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 71	IMO I would have to agree with DanLarkin on this one. Nothing compares to the truth that comes from mushroom trips. Just to throw in my 2 cents on what designlogic mentioned, I did X about a year ago at a desert rave...felt ok the first hour into it. About three hours later my friends were driving me home because I kept having periods of severe pain that I can only describe to you as having your stomach shred in a million pieces follow by uncontrollable diarrhea. Then the pain would reside for a few minutes only to come back again over and over again. Not a fun time my friend, I seriously thought I might die or be permanently fucked up. You never know what you are really taking when its a pill. Nowadays I stick to natural substances that grow from the ground. Oh and another side note. I dunno about you but with X, I always had a major depression issues 3-5 days after my high. With shrooms, I usually feel energized and great the next day. __________________ The unexamined life is not worth living - Socrates

11-04-09, 18:50	#5 (permalink)
DanLarkin Mycophiliac Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 29	That's true the day after rolling is always really shitty. I'm always grumpy and achy but after booming I feel like I just had a great therapy session for my life or Something, just totally refreshed and amazing __________________ {I am a girly! Not a boy.}

11-04-09, 17:44	#2 (permalink)
designlogic Researcher Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 267	Hippie Flippin is an interesting experience (mush + X) X these days is often far from pure MDMA I haven't even touched the stuff for a good 8 years and have no plans to do so. Just not my thing these days. Plus the fact that your sorta at the mercy of the folks making and pressing the pills, unless your testing every different pill you come across or have a really good connection directly with the chemist. Like anything, I think both substances have their positives and negatives

11-04-09, 19:02	#6 (permalink)
MushroomJoe Mycotechnician Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 235	I can honestly say that I love them both equally, but for different reasons. Mushrooms, for me, are a way to get "deep" with some close friends or become introspective with myself for a while. When I feel like just hanging out and being all about me and just "FUCK IT, I WANT TO FEEL GREAT!", that's when the MDMA comes in. It has become increasingly difficult to maintain a decent connection for MDMA however. And I do distinguish between MDMA and X. One is definitely always the other, but it is not always the same the other way around. Be careful with what you buy, that's my only advice. It is a sad day for responsible drug users, when we have to rely on clandestine chemists and backstabbing dealers to offer us the shit we want. And still not know if its worth a shit. __________________ "We are a way for the Universe to know itself, we are starstuff contemplating the stars." - Carl Sagan ~Temet Nosce~

11-04-09, 19:04	#7 (permalink)
potatocore Knuckledraggin Loser Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 270	hippie-flip I love the mush. I love the x. My love for mush is that deep abiding love you have for a family member or mentor. It isn't always pleasant but it always is correctional. x is more like a cheap floozy that feels AMAZING but the next day you can't help but wonder what you got yourself into. together, it's probably the best trip imaginable... but overall, mush is superior, imo. these days i'm into mush only though... i'm sure ill roll again but not for a while. __________________ ...if she had as many sticking out her as she has had in her she would look like a Hillbilly straw-log! -CoyoteMesc

11-04-09, 19:29	#8 (permalink)
PartOfTheWhole Mycophiliac Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 27	awhhh hippy flip.. thats what i want to try next. I've never done shrooms with a girl that I loved. Is it better than rolling together? You said it very well Danlarkin! and about the post depression; I didnt have it. I actually felt happier and more social? But maybe it was just a self fulfilling prophecy from my mind set. __________________ "You cannot shake hands with a clenched fist"

11-04-09, 19:33	#9 (permalink)
potatocore Knuckledraggin Loser Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 270	shrooms and sex nothing makes sex more spiritual/magical/awesome than mushies. period. when i'm boomin, i'm so caught up in the "now" and feel so good that it seems almost a natural progression of the energy to fuck. but i know for a lotta people it's the opposite. xsex is great and all but honestly i'd rather just be drunk... that's me though. whatdya think, dannyboy? __________________ ...if she had as many sticking out her as she has had in her she would look like a Hillbilly straw-log! -CoyoteMesc

11-04-09, 19:44	#10 (permalink)
DanLarkin Mycophiliac Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 29	MDMA fucking is great minus the extreme thirst I get while rolling. Makes me tiiiired. And it's great, but it's really JUST fucking. Mushroom sex is a whole nother godly world of sex. Especially with someone you love. It's like your love explodes into sex and then the whole world and the whole sky joins you in this magical expression of orgasmic bliss. I've always thought the words ''making love'' were bullshit until then. But on mushrooms its possible. __________________ {I am a girly! Not a boy.}

11-04-09, 23:22	#11 (permalink)
marmy riding the roller coaster Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 831	This is what I am saying. I personally have not seen "real" mdma since I lived in Arkansas around a bunch of peeps from dallas etc. That was 20 some years ago. I have not looked for the stuff either. Buddy gave me some pressies last year. Hippie tripped with em new years. Did not really enjoy it. THe problem is that the pressies were not MDma. Nothing I have sampled since new years is even close to what I remember it being. I would say if you could guarantee get the real stuff, great, have fun... Other than that. You are taking a risk. I have also learned that the " chemical tests" can give false positives that what you have is MDMA based on what other crap may be in your sample. WHat do you call cola shrooming? That may be fun. At least with the cola, I have learned that you can "wash" all the nasties out of it. __________________ OK maybe not that old

11-05-09, 00:04	#12 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 7,591	Hippie flipping always made me feel confused. Like the 2 drugs canceled out one another in a way. Back then, i'd rather hit one or the other, myself. __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

11-05-09, 08:40	#14 (permalink)
EmmisonJ Pass the Vick's Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 790	mdma and lsd is where it's at, mdma and mescaline is also incredible. i feel the opposite about mdma than you guys do, it's no more "fake" than shrooms or lsd. if you choose to view it as "fake" then it is, if you view it as "real" then it is. mdma, mescaline, and lsd is a 3-way tie for my favorite molecules but then i never have to question what's in my rolls anymore. always pure, uncut. mushrooms are nice once or twice a year but for the most part for me they are dark, confusing, primitive, i don't dig them nearly as much as lsd/mescaline/mdma. if i do them too often i get nothing but the negative side from them so these days i only use them once or twice a year. mushrooms make me edge and emotional for the following week after use. they're the only psychedelic i've ever had that does that to me, weird. so over the years i've spaced myself from shrooms and sometimes go a few years without even partaking in them. mescaline, lsd, mdma, i can take every weekend for a long period of time and have very minimal negative effects from. makes no sense but that's how it is for me. mdma and mescaline is an intensely deep, profound experience. i've mixed them a few times and i can honestly say, if you know your doses and dose yourself well then it's something else entirely. i was unable to speak all night and the following week i was a man of very few words. i just felt that after such a heavy, deep experience that words are useless. the experience is deeper than emotions, in fact emotions in general feel shallow in comparison to the extreme wisdom, knowledge, profoundness that is felt by this combo. mdma and lsd is very intense. the synergy between the two is incredible, it's like they were made for each other. mdma and mushrooms is not so great IMHO. you feel so emotional and it's not enjoyable nor do i see the benefit in it (for myself). mushrooms make me feel emotional anyway and the day after i feel almost bipolar. i'm typically not a very emotional guy at all so i don't like the way they make me feel, they just toy with my emotions too much. i'd rather steer clear of all that. ecstasy doesn't toy with my emotions nearly as much as shrooms but when they're together it's like that aspect of the shrooms is potentiated considerably. just not my bag. makes me feel like an emotional, confused, primitive man. i don't feel the intellectual edge like mescaline and lsd, everything is too cloudy. i want to try something other than cubensis one day and see if it's the same. i've eaten a lot of shrooms in my day but they're always cubensis.

11-15-09, 03:48	#16 (permalink)
mystic ~Mystical Mama~ Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,479	/me comes into this thread doing cartwheels spins a circle and take a seat. Did someone mention candy flipping ? If you have never tried the L/Mdma combo. You must. I can say this is my favorite combination of drugs thus far. Id like to now add into this equation a nice spice odyssey at the peak. I feel that is where the answers to a lot of my inner questions and fixing turmoil lies. I await the opportunity with bells on wishing it was at this very moment. I feel really strongly about the combination being a strong teacher. We should all do this combo to better understand, get high and have a good time and then write trip reports and see if any are simular in nature. __________________ The finest emotion of which we are capable is the mystic emotion.

11-15-09, 03:58	#17 (permalink)
greenkurma Mycophiliac Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 9	I think MDMA is very interesting in its own way, but I agree it's of a lesser meaning value than mushrooms. it's just one of hundreds of discovered chemicals that deliver a euphoric high. When it comes to naturally evolved active plants and fungus, there is a whole world of mystic and anthropological thought that goes along with it. Personally MDMA kicks my ass and it takes a long time to get over the post roll depression. This is not the case when I consume the sacred cactus (san pedro, bridgessi), The feeling can be at times like MDMA, even better, however I feel like a million bucks afterwards. The plant was for thousans of years and cultivated and nurtured by very earthy peoples who have been tripping on this shit. This to me adds richness to and comfort to the mind. Although if mdma was made by a plant, im sure peoples would be cultivating and using that one.. If MDMA was offered by pharma companies, it would be a big hit.

11-15-09, 05:02	#18 (permalink)
theycallmejake Mycophiliac Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 36	ive eaten hundreds of rolls, only a few dozen grams of shrooms in my 15 years of experimenting. x feels like the most perfect chemical has been introduced into myself. i personally like both, but more-so the pills. im from a big city, and have never really had the chance to experience pure nature on shrooms. pills were running rampant at the clubs and partys around here. x makes me feel like a walking orgasm. about 7-10 of my friends used to roll all the time together. it makes a strange bond between people. a close friend of mine sold pills for a looong time. he would come to parties with big ass baggies full of broken pills that he couldnt sell. those weekends turned into full blown orgies with girls ive never met before. x is a drug that only leads to pleasure. id loooooovvve to hippy flip. that would be a wild ride __________________ 'The Urban Mycologist'

11-15-09, 06:25	#19 (permalink)
ethnobotanica Mycotopiate Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 678	IME the 2 do Not mix at all. As it goes I have stopped taking any "chemical" drugs and now stick to natural entheogen's. I have done "X" for over 10 years now and have frankly had enough, it goes no further than happy hugs, good sex, and marathon dancing IMO. I can do all that without brain and kidney damaging chem's nowadays anyway. Almost impossible to find pure MDMA now anyway. I have a personal theory that the phenelthylamines and other synthetic drugs are basically the same as all those "artificial happiness" pills like in the film / book Brave New World. Has anyone noticed that in the book PIHKAL that Mr. Shulgin likes to hang out at "The Grove" with "The Owl Club", sounds very much like bohemian grove to me. Anyway, I'm not going to start claiming there is a conspiracy but the facts be that chemical drugs have many more side effects known/unknown than natural psychedelics. God/nature made these, not some goverment paid scientist. Also, MDMA does create a "false" bliss that is quite pacifying to the masses. I notice a lot more apathy to the important issues in the world amongst Mdma users, who cares when you feel that good eh. MDMA is useful at opening up one's heart but once its open fully its stay's that way IMHO. Its good for breaking down barrier's between people but once that's done its just a whole lot of gurning and having the same conversation with nearly every new person you meet at a rave/party, gets quite boring frankly. After a decade of using these I personally believe they are harmful in the long run. My experince with taking shrooms with X was very confusing to say the least. It was like the 2 drugs were in a competition to be at the front of the cue, each one pushing the other out of the way to be in charge. Very fucked up. If there is indeed a "spirit" within the shroom then I would say it doesn't like "X". My 2 p. __________________ "Trying to define yourself is like trying to bite your own teeth."

11-16-09, 15:15	#20 (permalink)
mullugh Mycotopiate Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 219	Im with you ethnobotanica. I hippie flipped recently and felt a slight inner conflict (still had a good time). Have had an incredible night candy flipping in a club - the music got right inside me!! I can see that they go together. But like ethnobotanica, I am getting to the stage where I want to stick with entheogen's and leave the synthetics behind. I get sick of loosing the rest of my weekend and the come down etc.

11-16-09, 17:20	#22 (permalink)
masteramyx Mycophiliac Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10	sex on shrooms?? honestly ive never even thought about this, me and my buddies actually dont really like being around girls while tripping. but im tripping with my girlfriend sometime soon so maybe ill give it a try.....if i can even get it up, ive forgotten i had a package while tripping before...you dont even really think about it

11-16-09, 20:47	#24 (permalink)
usagolden A Tin Can Banana Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 323	i have tried the hippie flip before i prefer candy flipping though the L is so much jazzier than the mushrooms combines with the E very nice

11-19-09, 04:48	#29 (permalink)
ethnobotanica Mycotopiate Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 678	I do realize the therapeutic potential of MDMA, I have read Pikhal front to back and have heard the reports and felt the effects myself (obviously). And as with any "therapy", if it has "worked" then there shouldn't be a need for continuous use. I was not aware that it had been used for PTSD in war victims. I guess the point I was trying to make was that many people are abusing it, or taking poor substitutes unknowingly. The thing that is actually bothering me is what I see with my own eyes in the club scene today. Thousands of kids are presently guinae pigs for all sort's of f***ed up RC's and dirty pills that are out there being sold as ecxtasy. I really worry for the next generation and what side effects they might suffer with as they age. One reason for this is the clamp down on an ingredient used to make mdma, now the street's are flooded with toxic imitations. Furthermore, it should have been obvious that I was refering to recreational use of mdma as that is what this thread was about. My concern is for the youth who are drawn to do these drugs "because they are good for you" if in fact they have no pressing need for them and in fact are not consuming what they think they are. It wouldn't be such a problem if there was only good clean pure mdma about but sadly this is not the case. If it wasn't a crime to make/possess/use something that has documented evidence of its benefit then we wouldn't be in this mess or having this debate. Peace __________________ "Trying to define yourself is like trying to bite your own teeth."

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