an odd occurance of dmt visuals.

[DivineMomentsofTruth]

about a week ago swim had smoked dmt with a buddy who both saw the same thing.

these swimmers were blasting off into hyperspace that had this vibrant neon blue grid outlining all of their inner CEV space. they were flying through a tunnel and all of the sudden there were these triangles that were spinning and fluctuating size and depth, they turned into a pyramid and back into these triangles. swims was yellow and the other swims was a darker blue-ish grey.

also swim was talking to a buddy who saw these triangles too but about a year earlier. he mentioned his buddy who smoked dmt a month after him said he saw these triangles and described them the same way. its odd, has anyone seen this grid or these triangles.

maybe a shape-shifting entity? maybe an alien encounter as described in Strassmans book The Spirit Molecule? idk.

has anyone seen this grid. it looks exactly like the painting i attached by Alex Grey. the grid was a different color but exactly like that. I know Grey has used aya and dmt, maybe it was from one of his visions from a dmt trip. i love gathering tripping information to try to understand it more. i never will fully understand, no one ever will until they die, but i like to try to atleast comprehend what i can. thats why tripping is so beautiful, the mystery. i wish i could translate visuals to some sort of 3d animation or some painting like he does.

if youve found some images online that correctly depict what youve seen, post them. id be thrilled to see them.

[DivineMomentsofTruth]

i forgot to mention, the one buddy who smoked it a year ago said recently he found an oil painting by his grandfather who is now deceased, r.i.p., that his g-pas signature painted into the painting had these same odd triangles around/in it. its quite the ridiculousness. every person that has talked about these triangles described them the same way, very energetic and almost reaching out to interact with them, accepting and vibrant. Each person also stated there was an odd frequency being heard the whole time. it was loud and higher pitched but not too loud or piercing to the ears. very odd, very very odd/ awesome.

[eastwood]

Welcome to Geometric fractopiaville

[|dw|]

Swim always sees fractals.

[Frequency]

Originally Posted by DivineMomentsofTruth

maybe a shape-shifting entity? maybe an alien encounter as described in Strassmans book The Spirit Molecule? idk.

Originally Posted by |dw|

Swim always sees fractals.

Same. It's the stimulation of your visual cortex and central nervous system, not a being. Geometric patterning is very common in the psychedelic experience.

Your mind the painter, the world his canvas.

[pharmer]

Each person also stated there was an odd frequency being heard the whole time. it was loud and higher pitched but not too loud or piercing to the ears. very odd, very very odd/ awesome.

This sounds like tinitus, the riinging in the ear from high blood pressure. I wonder if a dmt tripper were hooked up to a blood pressure machine if it would read higher than average?

Seems logical enough that the out-of-this-world experience of tripping would evoke a physical response like high blood pressure.

[DivineMomentsofTruth]

theres really no way to tell what it is. all your statements are just opinions, in all honestly no one knows. thanks for the input tho. theres no telling what the human mind can conjure up.

[StheNC]

i like pretty shapes and colors, and losing all connection with linear time and physical presence.

[DivineMomentsofTruth]

i have seen people that havent been there while trippn, things that arent explainable. how do u understand a mystery when there is no solving it.

[DivineMomentsofTruth]

i usually see fractals too, thats why i was astounded this time becuz it was soo much different.

[Calaquendi]

There's no telling what a person may see during any given experience, especially with DMT...

Personally, I shy away from 'too much' interpretation when it comes to visions. I think there's an inherent danger as with dream interpretations: things are so bizarre and so different that putting a label on or attaching some meaning to it may be completely inaccurate, or just downright untrue...

For myself what I see is not as important as what I feel. The things that resonate with me strongest are always the feelings, the emotions, etc.

Experiences of physical manipulations have occurred on DMT and that is some of the absolute weirdest shit I have ever encountered. Looking back at these episodes, they are usually the ones which make the deepest impressions on me. Not to say that all visions are just smoke and mirrors, I do not think they are, but there's SO much going on and it moves so quickly, that deciphering these phenomena is damned near impossible.

That is where ayahuasca comes in 'handy'...if you want the time to experience DMT states with complete submersion and have longer episodes and reveries, this is the way to go. Maybe then retention and analysis will be easier? Just my two cents...

[Mushxmagik]

Ur trip is what u make of it! take from it what u will! interpertation is up 2 oneself ultimatly. enjoy!

[stonedcoder]

very interesting discussion ... i've seen countless geometric patterns ...but it's all so indescribable ...much more complex than a pyramid ...but there is something out there ...or rather in there.... i'm sure of it

[Frequency]

Originally Posted by Calaquendi

Personally, I shy away from 'too much' interpretation when it comes to visions. I think there's an inherent danger as with dream interpretations: things are so bizarre and so different that putting a label on or attaching some meaning to it may be completely inaccurate, or just downright untrue...

Originally Posted by Mushxmagik

Ur trip is what u make of it! take from it what u will! interpertation is up 2 oneself ultimately. enjoy!

Great words guys. The human mind is a very mysterious organ. Should we decide to label any part of the psychedelic experience it should be done delicately.

[Mushxmagik]

Originally Posted by Frequency

Great words guys. The human mind is a very mysterious organ. Should we decide to label any part of the psychedelic experience it should be done delicately.

Agreed 1000% couldnt have said it better

[dpwishy]

Originally Posted by DivineMomentsofTruth

I know Grey has used aya and dmt, maybe it was from one of his visions from a dmt trip

If I remember correctly, In the Chapel Of Sacred Mirrors movie, Alex Grey is talking about this painting. If my brain is serving me right, I believe he said that was from a massive lsd dose, he also talks about having telepathic communications in this experience hes trying to capture by yogi's in the Himalayas. Anyone who likes his work and hasn't seen his documentary about his Chapel should do so, Its basically him just walking through all his art and explaining where he got the inspiration, what he was trying to achieve and what it means to him.

love, peace, compassion and respect
-wishy

[spyker]

If you want to meet the spirits,sprites make a nice space and perform the right ritual.. haha Believe me, you'll know when U meet them, you wont be wondering wether or maybe.. Ritual meaning dosage, correct pipe, pharmahuasca, correct smoking mix..There are all kinds of daemons and genies/jinns like there are all kinds of people. They are comfortable or uncomfortable in their respective spaces, for example , Joy likes warmth, beautiful scents, beautiful colours and textures..Make the space and they will come. Jealousy , anger etc.. U can figure it out..Smoke some rue seed or extract in a smoking mix and wait a 10 mins or so for it to seep in, clean up, light incense, Chant om to Ganesh or Christ as you all blast offand watch others ask who and what is that, that just floated on in..Smoke in a garden next to the plants after the whole rue seed and ritual.. haha speak back to the plants, they'll be competing for youre attention. You'll meet the aliens in time.. They live through us..We are all so so alien haha..

[DivineMomentsofTruth]

i would really really love to try ayahuasca. im just not too sure if its fine with the adderall im prescribed to. maybe i can just go off of it prior, idk tho. i have no problem with it while on smoked dmt, im just not sure how the maoi would interact with them meds... im thinking that mixing anything like a stimulant and an maoi is bad news and one might end up in hypertensive crisis real fast. ill have to be careful with that one.

[spyker]

There would be issues, what is the half life of adderal in the body? Can you skip the adderal for a few days for a special ruebricated smoke? Otherwise if not, try it in the "witching hour" when the bodies own MAOI's are in swing, 4,5 to 6 in the morning, depending on your own cycle. Set and setting, along with dosage are key.. Hang around the water and beautiful plants, when doors of perception are fully open you'll know why. Try uping your dosage, if its too harsh at proper doses clean it up.. Try smoking more effeciently, the best method for me was always a blown
"bubble pipe", with half a bongs worth of a smoking mix laid down with crushed crystal laid on top, with a thin layer on top.. The herbmix was made of tobacco, home grown ganja, sceletium, mint, rose pelargonium, african wormwood, mphepu flower, buchu, sage and pinch o salvia...A whole bag is premade so they can be mixed thoroughly, and no skanky stale herbs..This is mixed with rue crystal or seed for a before smoke..
Use a clipper or bic lighter with reliable flame, slowly warm the herbs, infusing the DMT into the herbs, then get it going carefully, like smoking bubble hash or BHO, and once glowing, stop the lighter. Draw slowly a full lung allowing for letting the clutch go. It should dissapear into your lungs and be soft. Exhale and draw again. You probably wont need more. B careful there are all sorts out there. Make the space right before you go and say your prayers.
If that doesn't work, up the dose and try the same method? Or make a hammer pipe from a hennesey bottle, but that always seemed a bit ghetto to me..

For getting off adderal, try coca tea and or some good sceletium, nature made better stimulants and anti-depressants . Both can be ordered off the net..

[DivineMomentsofTruth]

uhh, i know how to smoke it sir. i was just talking about adderall and the maoi. as i want to ingest dmt orally. and no, i dont want to get off adderall. i would for a week before aya, but i wouldnt go off addy permanently as i need it for severe ADD. i can go off adderall for a little while and would be willing to do so during summer when i dont have to do homework and what not for college.

im good on coca tea, as i used to be addicted to cocaine and crack. that would just be bad news as i would probably like it too much.

[copelandiaKidd]

have you tried to recontact this place?!?! meditate with your spice on an intent and then readdress the place

[raveneye]

Originally Posted by dpwishy

I believe he said that was from a massive lsd dose, he also talks about having telepathic communications in this experience hes trying to capture by yogi's in the Himalayas

Interesting you say that because I have had the same type of vision while meditating on LSD. The whole grid through the head and the feeling of telepathic travel along the lines. I was in a house out in the country by myself on some gel tabs I bought in Panhandle Park in S.F. It only happened once and I have never been able to regenerate it since. It was like I locked onto this whole interconnected grid. The grid was visible and for a few brief moments I understood how it all worked. Movement of communication along the lines that connect all beings with similar information receivers. The concept of Radiohead made a lot of sense. Good acid sure has its particulars as far as the windows it opens. I could never imagine this kind of vision on mushrooms, could be possible on mescaline though.
Sorry I haven't chimed in about this earlier Divine, I was holding out to see what others said. Cool post.

[spyker]

I wouldn't do any MAOI with adderal in the system.. Hmm an adderal fast would have to do... IME, meeting creatures from the other dimensions and intradimentional creatures has to do with mainly 2 things, setting the right space so they are around in the first place, hence water, plants, scents, warmth etc.. and cracking away the perceptional filters, prayer, meditation, still mind and DOSAGE or efficiency of dosage and or combination with MAOI's and or timing with ones own circadian rhythms. Hope that helps.. I see triangular wormholes and multidimensional fractals and pyramidal blueprints and vaulted geometric spaces and and and on decent doses of most psychedelics so don't know how much help I can be haha