DMT dosing?WOW!!!!!!!!!!!

[TheAngryGolfer]

Originally Posted by reverend trips

Holy SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

what happened? did u try again?

[TheAngryGolfer]

Originally Posted by waylitjim

It took me a few hours of searching to find a site which carried freebase bubblers. This site referred to them as "powder pipes." Just when I was ready to order I noticed the site which is based in Australia would only accepted orders from within the country. Any one here from Australia?
Here's a larger design.

wow thats nice.... DMT bong

I've heard DMT is actually pretty popular in Austrailia.....

[TheAngryGolfer]

actually tho I could make one of those myself.... the headshop I bought my straight basepipe at actually sells ones that are bent into like an upside down V so they can be used with a bong. maybe I'll have to do that.....

I was really happy with the effect I got the other day with the regular pipe and parsely tho.

[waylitjim]

Here's another link on the subject of smoking DMT.
http://peyote.com/jonstef/smok_dmt.htm

Smoking NN DMT in Freebase Form; Essential Tips
1. We recommend a uniformly, though not brightly, lit room. Unlike with mushrooms, in total darkness the DMT visions are rather drab. In full sunlight the colors are unbelievably intense with red and gold predominating but we feel that bright sunlight tends to obscure some of the intricate detail so characteristic of DMT visions. We usually do it during the day in a room that is brightly lit with indirect light.

2. Get comfortably seated where you can lie back and rest your head during the trance. If you smoke DMT standing up, you will almost certainly fall on your ass if you get a good hit!

3. We recommend a dosage of about 40-50 mg. The dosage should be weighed out and not eyeballed. Dosages below 25 mg yield only physical and threshold psychedelic effects. Dosages between 25 mg and 40 mg are usually not enough to display the full range of the unique DMT effects described below. Dosages in excess of 55 mg, particularly if you are successful in holding all of the vapor in your lungs, can be VERY heavy and are not recommended for first time users.



Smoking method:-
Idealy a glass (crack) pipe is ideal but any smooth toking pipe will do. If you use a crack pipe treat the DMT very much like crack. If you are using a normal hash-smoking pipe the make shure you have plenty of padding for the DMT as once the DMT liquidises it would simply run through a mesh or into the pipe and be wasted. I recommend as much grass ashes from a previous smoke, or maybe some low-grade grass to absorb the liquid before it vapourises. Then sprinkle the DMT uniformly over the ashes. Hold a match or torch well above the DMT and slowly bring the flame down towards the DMT until it begins to vapourize and then inhale deeply and slowly. Do not let the flame touch the DMT as this will destroy much of the drug. DMT melts and vaporizes easily so the point is to let the hot air rushing by the flame into the pipe vaporize the DMT. It is quite easy to vaporize the DMT and end up with the airchamber full of white DMT vapor. When the white vapor appears, breathe in deeply and slowly. If you inhale too soon or too quickly, the powdered DMT may be blown down your . The smoke is very harsh. It tastes like burning plastic. It isn't particularly hot, but you will have a tendency to cough, I recommend placing your hand over your mouth to restrain any involutary coughing reactions, as if you do cough it is very likely to mess up your chances of correct dosage . On each toke try to hold your breath for as long as possible. Exhale and immediately take a second toke. The physical effects, a buzzing or vibration throughout your whole body, come on first. The intensity of these effects is not a reliable guide to the dosage of DMT that you have consumed. Keep taking lungfuls and holding them until all of the premeasured DMT is consumed.

Gracie suggests that the best way to smoke DMT is to try to smoke as much as you can before you inevitablly fall into a trance. While not recommended for beginners, it does capture the approach you should take towards smoking your premeasured dose. One advantage of the "freebase" method is that the 50 mg of DMT can be divided into three toke sized piles. The smaller amount can be easily vaporized and inhaled in one breath with the screen being reloaded with DMT after each toke. Just as you feel yourself "going over the top", exhale. Breathe normally, close your eyes and enjoy the visions. Your companions should be instructed to take the pipe from you when you close your eyes because you will have poor motor control. Since you will be in a trance for 4-8 minutes, you should also have told them not to disturb you. To them you will look like you are asleep. This is not a social drug or one to be taken casually; you will be entranced. When you come our of the trance, remain seated for about 10 more minutes as you will still have only shaky control of your limbs. In 30 minutes from the time you started you will be pretty much down, but still euphoric. You will be completely down after a total of about one hour.

We do not recommend that DMT be combined with other drugs, except MAOIs (to double the potentsy and duration), MDMA( to reduce possibilities of extemely terrifying trips), however it is dangerous to mix MAOIs and MDMA. It should be done on a clean head. Marijuana fogs the effects. It is not a party drug, and possibility of mental and physical injury are very high if taken in an unprepared casual manner, such as a party, club or public place: the effects are most entertaining experienced in a quiet room. When DMT is smoked at the peak of a mushroom or LSD trip, the effects are spectacular, but only recommended for the experienced, most brave (or some might say, most foolhardy) of investigators. The effects used at the peak of another psychedelic can last for several hours.



Notes on the Visual Stages of a DMT Trip
0 - 20 seconds - a scratchiness in the lungs.

20 - 30 seconds - a buzzing starts in the ears, rising in tone and volume to an incredible intensity. Its like cellophane being ripped apart (or the fabric of the universe being torn asunder). Your body will vibrate in sympathy with this sound, and you will notice a sharp blood pressure rise. You may feel like you are deeply under water. Your visual field will also vibrate in resonance to the sound and will finally be completely obscured by the visions.

30 seconds - 1 minute - You break through into DMT hyperspace. Often at this point, users believe that their hearts or breathing have stopped. This is not true. To an outside observer, you are breathing normally and your pulse, while elevated, is strong. At this point you may feel a terrifying sense of dread and physical sensation of panic. DMT is a intense trip and can be intensely terrifying as well as amazing. One may say at this point, "What have I done? Am I dead? Why have I done this?" This is when having close, experienced friends to babysit you is important. Synthetic DMT has been extensively tested by medical authorities here and in Europe. It is perfectly safe with no lasting physical effects at these doses. However, since smoked DMT causes an abrupt blood pressure increase, it is probably not good for people with abnormally high blood pressure.

1 minute - 2 - 5 minutes - depending on dosage: DMT hyperspace. For all practical purposes, you will no longer be embodied. You will be part of the intergalactic information network. You may experience any of the following: Sense of transcending time or space. Strange plants or plantlike forms. The universe of formless vibration. Strange machines. Alien music. Alien languages, understandable or not. Intelligent entities in a variety of form. Do not try to actively direct your observations but merely pay attention. The beings can show you amazing things, but if you try to impose vour personal trip on the DMT you will find that you cannot and may become frightened. At the end of the "flash" of the visions you will have an after-vision of circular interlocking patterns in exquisite colors. It has been described as looking at a vaulted ceiling or dome. If you did not "breakthrough" to the levels described above, this "chrysanthemum" pattern, as we call it, is all you will see. It is worth the trip, too. You may begin to wonder how you will ever find your way back to your body. If you have taken enough DMT to fully "breakthrough", by the time you can even wonder about it, you are almost back. Trust in your own wetware; your psyche and your body will be reunited. Worrying will only prolong the process.

5 - 12 minutes - The visions have subsided. There are still patterns when you close your eyes, but with eyes open the world is back. At this point a flood of information may rush through your mind. The phase is fleeting. In order to preserve your DMT ideation, we recommend that you begin talking as soon as you come out of the visionary state. Don't try for complete sentences but get as many ideas out as you can while you can. Have a tape recorder running during the trip and you can review your thoughts at a later time.

15 - 30 minutes - The ideation flood subsides leaving you euphoric. You may still have a trace of the vibrations in your body.

30 - 60 minutes - The euphoria subsides.

60+ minutes - You are completely down. Note: While we recommend above not to combine DMT with other hallucinogens, we have had excellent results using DMT as a "pre-dose" for LSD, MDM, MDA, or mushrooms. The technique is to take the second hallucinogen orally just as you come out of the vision state. The resulting trip will be more profound and will help you to understand the strange and alien vistas which you were shown while on the DMT.

I want one of these

[Jonah]

yeah, that is goddamn lovely.
although the typical head-shop style glass dicks are good for the work, because afoaf has found that the bottom is heated, the carb on top can be held so none of that precious smoke escapes.

[waylitjim]

Originally Posted by Jonah

oh baby, that's a beautiful pipe. where can you get those?

This is the site I found it on.
http://fantasyworld.com.au/shopfront.htm?glassbongs3

[arezap]

Originally Posted by reverend trips

Has anyone else had this happen to them?

Yes. I puked a 5 foot stream in front of me. I was doing pinhead sized hits. I was told it was DMT. We had no idea there were several different kinds of DMT. It was just DMT but now to hear about others I think it HAD to be the 5-MEO-DMT. I did not like it.

[reverend trips]

what happened? did u try again?

Ya, I broke through like a champ. I was not prepared for THAT at all.
I thought the visuals would be cool geometric patterns like you would see superimposed over your vision like on a heavy acid trip. Nope! not even close on that one.
It worked great in that little mushroom pipe, It has a little glass screen that came with it, it looks like a little glass star that covers the hole.
I filled it with ash almost flush to the top of the bowl, then put a good layer of spice on it and then heaped some weed over it. I held the torch lighter horizontal over it and slowly brought the flame closer as I was drawing slowly on the pipe. I I could tell I was getting a good vapour with my fisrt haul, held it for a long time, did it again held it and by the time I was blowing it out I new it was going to work, took a third hit set the pipe down and held it in as long as I could. I was already through by the time I blew out the last hit. The ringing in my head had already started.
My fucking god! When my eyes were closed I was shooting through this crazy space I can't even begin to describe, crazy patterns were bouncing around and moving so fast and leaving trails it was like going through the trippiest time travel,I can't give it justice in words. The ringing got so intense it felt like it was rattling my brain.
In the lengthy post on the fist post of this thread it says you may feel as though you aren't breathing, but it was quite the opposite for me. I think it may be from me holding my breath for as long as I could three consecutive times but I was almost hyperventilating, my heart was beating so strong and fast I thought it was going to pound out of my chest.
When I came down I swear my body was showing serious signs of shock.
I was so excited about it I didn't care though, I was so cold I needing to put a blanket over myself for a good half hour after to stop shaking.
I can't remember much of the trip, but it deffenatly felt familiar and comfortable after the time space show.
I'm still taking it all in.
I want to thank all of you who helped me experience this incredible drug!
Sensational!!

[TheAngryGolfer]

sounds like a breakthrugh or near breakthrough (generally for me what I consider breakthrrough includes some kind of contact with "beings")! The patterns are sick... they multiply insanely fast and seem like they have some kind of meaning, like some alien language or mathematics.

after the initial few minutes of "hyperspace" did you get some nice open eyed stuff? My last time I was watching the plaid pattern on my pajama pants move around like tiny highways and there was an eye or mouth at every intersection. and bottles on a wine rack were moving around like elephant trunks.

[ulatek]

sounds great man, i envy you.

the stuff i came out with just makes me feel messed up, dont even really hallucinate.. i get a fairly strong "high" for about an hour, then nothing..

maybe it was bad mhrb, or maybe i messed it up.. but reading that makes me not wanna give up.

[TheAngryGolfer]

Originally Posted by ulatek

sounds great man, i envy you.

the stuff i came out with just makes me feel messed up, dont even really hallucinate.. i get a fairly strong "high" for about an hour, then nothing..

maybe it was bad mhrb, or maybe i messed it up.. but reading that makes me not wanna give up.

weird, because you both got your bark from BBB (or maybe not so wierd... I've heard that all of the MHRB comes from the same place and it varies by batch, not vendor).

its also (very slightly) possible that you are immune to DMT.

how did you smoke it? if you used a base pipe, try a regular pipe with some ash or parsely. its easy to do it wrong in a base pipe.

[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by ulatek

sounds great man, i envy you.
the stuff i came out with just makes me feel messed up, dont even really hallucinate.. i get a fairly strong "high" for about an hour, then nothing..
maybe it was bad mhrb, or maybe i messed it up.. but reading that makes me not wanna give up.

smacked12 did ok too
see http://forums.mycotopia.net/showthread.php?t=8891 (holy....[first breakthru on dmt])

[reverend trips]

after the initial few minutes of "hyperspace" did you get some nice open eyed stuff?

I had my eyes closed till I started to come down, maybe next time I'll open them up and see what is going on.

the stuff i came out with just makes me feel messed up, dont even really hallucinate.. i get a fairly strong "high" for about an hour, then nothing..

Make sure the lighter doesn't touch it, thats what happened to me the first time, I'm sure I burnt it and ruined it, but I did get somewhat high for a while after.
I'ts a little tricky, but man! WOW!!

[Hippie3]

what is the vaporization temp needed for dmt anyway ?

[ulatek]

ive been using a base pipe, and im sure BBBs MHRB is just fine... chances are i screwed it up, or maybe i am just smoking it wrong...hmm, you know what ill try that with some salvia..

anyone heard of smoking it on foil? ill give that a try too

im pretty sure its not that im immune to it, as it does have definate effects.. just nothing even close to that (so far) ive let a few others try it and its the same way for them. hopefully im just smokin it wrong,regardless i still got enough MHRB for another shot at it if i cant get this to work

[TheAngryGolfer]

Originally Posted by reverend trips

I had my eyes closed till I started to come down, maybe next time I'll open them up and see what is going on.

no... I mean AFTER you come down. for me, when I am in the trance, its not possible to open my eyes because I dont even realize they are closed.

when the intense closed eye stuff fades (and alot of times the entities say goodbye somehow) and I come back to my body I get alot of open eye effects for a few minutes.

Make sure the lighter doesn't touch it, thats what happened to me the first time, I'm sure I burnt it and ruined it, but I did get somewhat high for a while after.
I'ts a little tricky, but man! WOW!!

I've found that even if the lighter touches the parsely on top a little and cheery's it, it still works fine. but I hold it above the stuff for a few seconds before that to make sure it all melts into the bottom layer of parsely.

[reverend trips]

Do you have a normal hash pipe? I'd try that first if I were you.
Pissybee says you can smoke it on foil too.

[TheAngryGolfer]

Originally Posted by ulatek

ive been using a base pipe, and im sure BBBs MHRB is just fine... chances are i screwed it up, or maybe i am just smoking it wrong...hmm, you know what ill try that with some salvia..

anyone heard of smoking it on foil? ill give that a try too

I'd suggest parsely or mint or some other inert substance instead of salvia so you can see whether it works or not on its own.

[Hippie3]

be sure you get uncoated cheap foil

[TheAngryGolfer]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

what is the vaporization temp needed for dmt anyway ?

I remember hearing 160 degrees celcius

[reverend trips]

when the intense closed eye stuff fades (and alot of times the entities say goodbye somehow) and I come back to my body I get alot of open eye effects for a few minutes.

The room I was in was bright and very different looking than normal, I don't think I focused on any one thing because I was just in total aw and trying like mad shit to describe it.
I deffenatly need another session because the whole expereince blew me away the first time, I'm sure next time I'll know a little more what to expect and hopefully remember a little more.

[ulatek]

but of course, diamond!

[Hippie3]

it's classic
"i don't remember anything
except that i had a real good time"

been there many time

[TheAngryGolfer]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

it's classic
"i don't remember anything
except that i had a real good time"

been there many time

it kinda stinks.... when I first come down I remember what I saw vividly. and feel like I saw or learned something important (but cant really describe what it is).

but it fades quickly and a day or 2 later I barely remember it

[reverend trips]

I've found that even if the lighter touches the parsely on top a little and cheery's it, it still works fine. but I hold it above the stuff for a few seconds before that to make sure it all melts into the bottom layer of parsely.

I used a butane torch lighter, the flame shoots straight out and was easy to get it to vaporize buy holding it horizontally and just above the pipe.

[TheAngryGolfer]

Originally Posted by reverend trips

I used a butane torch lighter, the flame shoots straight out and was easy to get it to vaporize buy holding it horizontally and just above the pipe.

yea i have one of those too... but I have only used it with the base pipe.

I will have to try with the regular pipe

but my last experience with just a regular pipe and a bic lighter was my strongest anyway....

[reverend trips]

Hey, when you guys breakthrough do you get that heart beating like mad shit too? I'm not sure if maybe that may have been anxiety or me trying to catch my breath to fast or what.
I could almost hear it pounding through the ringing in my head and felt like a drum.

[Hippie3]

blood pressure, buddy.
elevated by the drug.
it's why i don't do it,
too old.