holographic universe

[ridder]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...377629019446&q

[ridder]

just finished the video.. starts out all scientific then gets religious at the end. interesting concepts regardless. btw i don't endorse the idea of a diety creating this universe. whatever this universe is, we are the ones here. no point in blaming someone else .

[~Hippie3]

i have the book, it's a good read.

[ridder]

some videos cap posted that are prolly more interesting:

String Theory I http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ing+theory+pbs
String Theory II http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ing+theory+pbs
String Theory III http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ing+theory+pbs

[ridder]

yeah thats what i thought it was gonna be about first hip then i started watching it and in the end it started going off on "praise be to allah"... so now i'm doing some reading on the history of the term allah out of curiousity.

[ridder]

from http://members.aol.com/thetruth/godvs.htm -

Before Islam came into existence, pagan Arabs used to worship some 360 pagan gods. Allah was one of them and was viewed as the highest god of all. The name Allah, which was adopted by Islam was later used to mean God, by Christians in the Middle East, in countries which were conquered by the Muslims. Christians may have done so out of fear ,and because it sounded similar to the Old Testament name "Elohim". However, the attributes of "God" and "Allah" are quite different. God of the Bible is loving and personal, Allah on the other hand is fearful and non-personal.

[ridder]

i have no idea the validity of that site either and since i'm tired and don't really care about the differences of labels anyways i'm goin 2 bed .

[ridder]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah

Etymology

The word Allāh (ألله) is derived from a contraction of the Arabic words al- (the) and ʾilāh (deity, masculine form) — al-ilāh meaning "the god". Cognates of the name "Allāh" exist in other Semitic languages, including Hebrew and Aramaic.
Muslim and non-Muslim scholars often translate "Allāh" directly into English as "God"; and Arabic-speaking Jews and Christians refer to Allāh as God. Also, it is believed that in Islam, "Allāh" means the same God that the people of Christianity and Judaism faith believe in; in other words, the three prominent religions believe in the same God. However, some Muslim scholars feel that "Allāh" should not be translated, because they perceive the Arabic word to express the uniqueness of "Allāh" more accurately than the word "god", which can take a plural "gods", whereas the word "Allāh" has no plural form. This is a significant issue in translation of the Qur'an.
The word "Allāh" had been used in the Arabic tongue in the Jāhilīyah (pre-Islamic) period; it occurs in Arabic classical poetry and was also used by Jews in certain regions (for cognate Hebrew Elōah), as well as by the pagan tribes in the Arabian peninsula to signify a chief deity.[citation needed]
Along with Allāh, the pre-Islamic Arabs believed in a host of other terms to signify gods, such as Hubal and al-Lāt, al-`Uzzah, and Manah.[5] Pre-Islamic Jews referred to their supreme creator as Yahweh or Elohim. This view of Allāh by the pre-Islamic pagans is viewed by Muslims as a later development having arisen as a result of moving away from Abrahamic monotheism over time since the building of the Kaaba. In the Qur'an, Muhammad orally transmits a rebuttal to this common belief at the time in the verse "17:40 Has then your Lord (O Pagans!) preferred for you sons, and taken for Himself daughters among the angels? Truly ye utter a most dreadful saying!". Secular historians, meanwhile, have postulated that monotheism is the result of an evolution from henotheism, the belief in a supreme deity as well as various lesser divinities. (See Judaism.) The pagan Arabians also used the word "Allāh" in the names of their children; Muhammad's father, who was born into pagan society, was named "`Abdullāh", which translates "servant of Allāh". "`Abdullāh" is still used for names of Muslim and non-Muslims (e.g. Christians also used the word, as testified by the Zabad inscription). "Abdullāh" was also the name of the father of Maimon, whose son Moses is the Jewish principal Rabbi commonly known in English as Maimonides. Maimonides himself wrote his works mostly in Arabic on which his name appear as "Mussa bin Maimun ibn Abdullah al-Kurtubi" ( موسى بن ميمون بن عبد الله القرطبي ).
The Hebrew word for deity, El (אל) or Elōah (אלוה, rarely אלה), was used as an Old Testament synonym for Yahweh (יהוה), which is the proper name for God according to the Tanakh. The Aramaic word for God is אלהא Elāhā (Biblical Aramaic) and ܐܠܗܐ Alāhā (Syriac), which comes from the same Proto-Semitic word (*ʾil-) as the Arabic and Hebrew terms; Jesus is described in Mark 15:34 as having used the word on the cross, with the ending meaning "my", when saying, "My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me?" (transliterated in Greek as ἐλωι elō-i). One of the earliest surviving translations of the word into a foreign language is in a Greek translation of the Shahada, from 86-96 AH (705-715 AD), which translates it as ὁ θεος μονος (ho theos monos) [6], literally "the lone god".

[TVCasualty]

I'm no longer sure what would qualify as "off topic" on this thread, but that video linked in the original post essentially spelled out the mechanism for creating The Matrix and/or Ghost in the Shell. Since it's all in our head, I guess anything we imagine is something we are moving toward. That is exactly why most spiritual traditions put so much emphasis on mental discipline. The world is not growing more chaotic, our minds are.

"While you are watching this film, the closest being to you is Allah."

Well, I'd call it something else, and frankly they kind of blew it there. I had a warning when during the intro were the words "The content of this film is not just a different approach, or a philosophical thought: It is a fact which is also proven by science today."

Science has never "proven" anything, that's not what it does. So the video's creators were not scientists, obviously. Also, the contents of the video attempt to conclude that reality is a construct in our heads, which most trippers know intuitively, but my point is that this stance contradicts the quote from the intro. What "fact" could they be referring to? Something external maybe? But nothing external "exists," according to the video. Therefore there is no fact of this video's existence, so how can something that doesn't exist be a fact? We are self-aware yardsticks (apologies to readers on the metric system) that are trying to measure ourselves, and it always ends up feeling like something I can only describe as two mirrors facing each other. Fun stuff for sure, but please don't slap provincial nomenclature on it ("Allah") and then call it the "Real Absolute Being" (quote from video). Everyone knows his real name is "Bob."

[TVCasualty]

God of the Bible is loving and personal

It just took Him awhile to come around...

[mycobri]

thanks for the morning full of videos to get my mind going for the day

[~Hippie3]

Originally Posted by TVCasualty

... Everyone knows his real name is "Bob."

[cap]

Originally Posted by ridder

some videos cap posted that are prolly more interesting:

String Theory I http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ing+theory+pbs
String Theory II http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ing+theory+pbs
String Theory III http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ing+theory+pbs

but those vids came to my attention via LOST.

thanks again losty

[ridder]

thank bob you cleared that up

[chimp]

Mysticism and the New Physics is also another good read from Talbot