Paris Hilton sentenced to jail

[ANON]

IMO,

I wouldn't have slapped her with jail time yet. There appears to be an honest possibility that Paris had thought it was a 30 day time period, and not a 90 day time period, since it seems she did not drive during those 30 days. I'd cut her some slack this time.

If another incident happened, i'd throw her in for two weeks to send her a very clear message. And if again, I'd send her in for the full 90 days and a crapload of community service on top of that.

That being said, if we're going to look at this case we should completely disregard her status of being a celebrity. The law should not favor anyone - not the rich, not the poor, not the famous, not the infamous, not the racist, nor the people who hate racists. Cases like this make me wish it were possible to have a person's trial without reveleaing their identity in order to insure that the decisions are impartial. Alas, that ain't feasible.

[shroom_seeker]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

now who's
speculating ?

Oh, you got me there Hip. But that's what you do, right?
Of course in my own defense I might point out that I said "probably doesn't want this case" - indicating the statement was nothing more than my personal opinion.
Whereas you went ahead and told us that her "wealth and fame is being used against her".
There is a difference.

Originally Posted by Hippie3

her relationship with the media spotlight
should not be of any relevance
in her sentence,

I couldn't agree with you more.

[chimp]

IMO Paris getting jail time is nothing more than the judge and the DA getting their paws on some national publicity at the expense of another humans basic right to live outside of a cage.

I actually get nauseated when I read some of the posts from you folks who would wish jail on another human being for stupid shit that doesn't hurt anyone.

Being locked up sucks...plain and simple.

[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by oibchip

IMO Paris getting jail time is nothing more than the judge and the DA getting their paws on some national publicity at the expense of another humans basic right to live outside of a cage.
I actually get nauseated when I read some of the posts from you folks who would wish jail on another human being for stupid shit that doesn't hurt anyone.
Being locked up sucks...plain and simple.

agreed,
WTF happened to the
peace & love ??

[shroom_seeker]

Originally Posted by oibchip

I actually get nauseated when I read some of the posts from you folks who would wish jail on another human being for stupid shit that doesn't hurt anyone.

So are you saying that DUI doesn't hurt anyone?

[Hippie3]

it can be fatal
but in the vast majority of cases
the drunk and everyone else
makes it home safely.

in other criminal matters
it's unusual to give sentences
based on what might have, but did not, happen.


for example
let's say i violated city code
and fired a gun in the air.
now in theory
that bullet might kill / injure someone.
but if it does not,
all i get charged with is
discharging a firearm within the city limits,
a misdemeanor.
they don't charge me with felonious assault nor attempted murder.

now if my errant bullet actually does
wound or kill an innocent bystander
then and only then
would i face felony charges for manslaughter.

DUI should be the same,
no harm = no foul.
or a minor foul.
but have an accident, drunk,
then a much more severe penalty.

This what Paris' Warden says she can expect. (Fox News)

Better like chicken.

Like other high-profile Los Angeles County inmates — O.J. Simpson, Robert Blake, Robert Mitchum, Sirhan Sirhan and Charles Manson — Hilton will be segregated from the general population for her own safety, living in a one- or two-person cell.

Her cell will be Spartan: 12-by-8 feet with a toilet, sink and a window 6 inches wide. She'll comb her blonde locks in a mirror made of polished metal.

Breakfast is served between 6 a.m. and 7:30 a.m., hours when Hilton sometimes gets in after a night of partying.

Inmates in segregation are allowed outside their cells for at least an hour each day to shower, watch television in the day room, participate in outdoor recreation or talk on the telephone, Scott said. There are a bank of phones that use prepaid phone cards — cellular telephones and Blackberries aren't allowed.

[shroom_seeker]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

it can be fatal
but in the vast majority of cases
the drunk and everyone else
makes it home safely.

DUI should be the same,
no harm = no foul.
or a minor foul.
but have an accident, drunk,
then a much more severe penalty.

Well Hip thats about the whackiest logic I've ever heard you use.
You even used an example of firing a gun into the air and everything.
The fact of the matter is this:
DUI kills a lot of people; 16,885 people died in the US from it in 2005 alone.
http://www.madd.org/stats/11088
When the day comes that 16,885 people die per year from bullets shot in the sky
You might see a slight change in the law.

[Hippie3]

no 'wacky' logic at all,
it's simply a matter of counting.

cars kill so many because
there are so many of them
in use every day of the week,
every hour of the day.

nevertheless
there are far more than
17,000 episodes of drunks driving the road in a year,
there are, quite literally,
scores of millions.

this get-tough approach to DUI
is both political and recent-
more common sense prevailed
until someone saw a chance to
get political power
by waging a crusade against
those horrible people...

first they came for the pornographers..
then they came for the drinkers...
then they came for the smokers...
tell me the moral majority folk aren't behind this trend
and i still wouldn't believe you.


and how about those who drive
after smoking some pot ?
want to throw them all in jail too ?

[shroom_seeker]

Personally I don't want to throw people in jail left and right.
But all I keep hearing is "Whaa, whaa, leave poor Paris alone"
"The judge and district attorney are just out to make a name for themselves"
"Jail is tough, whaa, whaa"
No shit jail is tough, and my point isn't that you should just throw people in jail.
As you might see in this thread I've agreed with you in regards to
the decriminalization of minor offenses, the idea of house arrest,
and quite frankly, I believe that this would just be the start.
WTF is the love? Where is the rehabilition?
Why do we make things that grow naturally on the planet against the law?
But don't go crying your eyes out, because Paris might do 45 days in the snuggest cell of the jail.
You want fairness for her ass, treat her the same as any other citizen.

This also from Fox News article.

Same jail as Paris'.

A year ago, former "Lost" actress Michelle Rodriguez showed up to serve a 60-day jail sentence for violating probation terms after her drunken driving arrest in Hawaii. She was released in hours because of overcrowding.

Maybe the judge knows something.

[Hippie3]

i don't feel any shame in
having pity on her.

i would never apologize for
nor regret
showing mercy or compassion.

i'd rather give the benefit of the doubt,
same as i'd want for my self.
that truly is
just, fair, equal.

the adage to
give to others
what i want for myself-
to paraphrase jesus-
is what loving your fellow humans
is all about.

[Doctor D]

Originally Posted by Dipole

A year ago, former "Lost" actress Michelle Rodriguez showed up to serve a 60-day jail sentence for violating probation terms after her drunken driving arrest in Hawaii. She was released in hours because of overcrowding.

So was the judge in that case also trying to make a name for himself? I personally can't remember his name. In fact the story was just a blip on the screen for me back then. Michelle Rodriguez isn't exactly what I'd call a high profile actress.

Paris' sentence might amount to having to worry about jail for a month.

[camMyco]

I don't know about anyone else, but if I could buy my way out of going to jail, I certianly would I think you would too. That is why I buy the most expensive attorney I can not afford when needed.

[shroom_seeker]

Hip- you shouldn't feel any shame in having pity on her.
Hell, I feel bad for anyone too incompetant to fuel their car themself.
But my argument simply remains: Treat her Equally.

Originally Posted by Hippie3

and i'd have no problem with
the same for paris-
say 45 days of
house arrest, ankle braclet, drug/alcohol tests.
that would get her attention.
and some community service along with a healthy fine
and an extension of her suspension from driving.
that's plenty harsh.

Now should only Paris get house arrest?
and where do you draw the line of what is harsh enough, and what isn't?

[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by shroom_seeker

Hip- you shouldn't feel any shame in having pity on her.
Hell, I feel bad for anyone too incompetant to fuel their car themself.
But my argument simply remains: Treat her Equally.

it's not as simple as
"treat her equally"
when it is not a choice
between just two options,
equal versus unequal.


other people do get house arrest
so it is equal.

not every DUI probation violation
means go to jail.

each case is unique
and so cannot literally be 'equal'.

some folks go to jail,
some get house arrest,
some get a fine, or perform community service-
some go into rehab, or a half-way house.
all are 'equal'
in that
all are legally acceptable options.

you keep talking like
equal
automatically means
go to jail
but it's just not
so clear-cut and simplistic.

Now should only Paris get house arrest?
and where do you draw the line of what is harsh enough, and what isn't?

i thought
i had made it pretty clear-
i draw the line
at slamming the door shut
on a caged human being.

that's too harsh
for a minor probation violation.

[python]

Originally Posted by Bobcat

Since her fortune has been brought up: lets just wait and see if she actually does any jail time.

for real......i bet it gets suspended some way...........they'll add a big fine and more probation.......or something.......

on another note, i agree w/ hips first statement.........i wish no one jail....

[shroom_seeker]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

you keep talking like
equal means jail
but it's just not so clear-cut and simplistic.

Again, I agree with you.
But it is the duty of the judge to decide which punishment to hand out.
Not any of us.
If the judge decides to send her to jail
that is the choice he/she makes.
Because you call these choices "Legally acceptable options" and consider them all "equal"
I'm not quite sure where your objection lays..

[python]

well i posted after i read a few posts.....but i think the above is not too out of place

[Hippie3]

I'm not quite sure where your objection lays..

i thought i had made that clear already too,
i believe the judge is abusing his authority
for extra-judicial [moral-political] reasons,
handing out a severe sentence
to make an example out of her
because of who she is,
not being fair for what she actually did.

the judge even betrayed
his contempt for paris
at the sentencing
when he declined to bother seizing her car
as the proscution had requested
stating in essence that there was no point
since she probably had 5 more cars at home.
he was speculating, now wasn't he ?

but to my mind it shows his prejudice.

[shroom_seeker]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

i thought
i had made it pretty clear-
i draw the line
at slamming the door shut
on a caged human being.

that's too harsh
for a minor probation violation.

I think you're confused about the concept of probation.
Probation stems from the Latin word Probatio - which means a test over a period of time.
The US criminal justice system upholds this meaning, and gives probation in replace of jail time.
The basic premise of probation is to follow the terms of your probation.
If you can't follow those terms you are penalized accordingly.
Paris already caught a break once, and broke her probation twice.
You can bitch about the judge all you want but it wont change a thing.

[Hippie3]

i've BEEN on probation,
several times,
several violations too.
i know exactly what it really is,
not just the latin definition.

so allow me to clarify something for you-
probation is not given
'in replace of jail time'-
that's parole.

you still get a jail sentence on probation,
and not one single day is taken off
'in replace' [sic]
by doing a day on probation.
it's all there still waiting to be served
if the probation is ever revoked.

since
we're now at the point of
just playing word games.

i think she will handle it alright.. if i were in jail with her id try to sell her rollies for a million bucks a piece

[yerbaadam]

I don'T alwAys, buT thiS tiME i siDe with hiP on thIS onE..

FUCK prisons and CageS and pUnishmEnt.

foR sOMe wAck shIt liKE dRiviNG a cAr agAinst thE "ruLEs" ?
-Someone ShouLD haVE thEir frEEdom tAken awAy?
foR gRowiNg psYchoacTives?
WherE doEs onE drAw thE liNE.

There iS onLy oNe rEal lAw...
The lAw s wiCh goVern animAls in THe wiLD and baCteriA and yoUR veRy beiNg in EvERy moMEnt. -aNd thAt lAw iS beYOnd woRds.

I loVe all oF yAll, anD gRant you My deepEst bLEssINGs thAt noTHing EVeR hAppenS to tAke awaY yoUR freEdom.

>biG hUGS,
yEr friEnd, nAscAr denDriTE duDLEy

[Hippie3]

i feel ashamed
for even having a thread here
about this,
no one would care
if her name wasn't paris hilton.

that's the only reason, too,
why people who have never met her
are so keen to see her punished.

it's not at all about what she did,
it's only about
who she is.

i'm kicking this down to
trash talk.

[FlyvAgaric]

Peace&love out to Paris !

[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by shroom_seeker

...
You can bitch about the judge all you want but it wont change a thing.

apparently there will be an appeal made
so this judge may not be
the final word.

[cheshire]

shame, shes gonna be in alot of trouble in there

[StroFun]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

if she deserves jail
then so do
all of us.

don't hate the rich, the beautiful
just because of who they are
and who you are not.

no one should be locked in a cage
just for driving when a judge says no.

rejoicing at another's misfortune
is bad mojo my friend.

nothing to add this quote sums it up nicely.

[ANON]

Originally Posted by FlyvAgaric

Peace&love out to Paris !

i'll give her all the lovin' she wants :grin:

[panic]

drunk driving, or stoned driving for that matter is bad ju-ju. i dont care if she disregarded the law in almost any respect....fuck the pigs. but the total lack of responsibility and generally not giving a shit that others can be hurt or killed deserves punishment. just like those goddamned tweakers...cooking up thier dirty bathtub meth. i don't care if ruin themselves, but thier labs are dangerous to anybody in a pretty wide vicinity.

[shroom_seeker]

It looks like Paris has stooped to a new low by pleading with fans to sign an online petition on her MySpace page in hopes of keeping herself out of jail.
Addressed to Governor Schwarzenegger, the petition suggests Paris should be pardoned because she "provides beauty and excitement to our otherwise mundane lives".
Despite the sound logic behind these points, the petition seems to have since been removed.
http://www.myspace.com/parishilton

[Hippie3]

paris is out after 3 days,
a true princess,
a bout with a skin rash
resulted in her 're-assignment' to
40 days of house arrest.

told ya so...

[Lazlo]

I just heard that. What a bunch of horse shit.

[hyphaenation]

I'll bet you her lawyers threatened a multi million dollar lawsuit if she contracted flesh eating disease, like the other prisoners are forced to deal with. Apparently Staph is rampant in this facility. Unfortunately other prisoners don't have the resources for a team of lawyers to spring their ass out so they won't contact Staph.

[motograter]

That's BS. She already got a light sentence because of who she is. Anyone else caught DUI 3 times would be in jail for a LONG time. Plus never get a license back. She's out in 3 days?????

[Lazlo]

Sad isn't it? She's such a dumbass idiot, that I could care less if she got the chair for this to be honest.

[Dank Side Of The Shroom]

knew she wouldnt stay threre. im surprised she even went there at all.

[Bobcat]

CNN article says Hilton wasn't eating much either. Ummmm, HELLO! Thats prolly a way of life for her and her ilk.

I'm not taking any side in the hypothetical debate here. But in this specific situation, with Paris, she should be in jail! First of all she probably contracted said rash during the filming of one of her 'videos'. Second of all A LOT of people in jail have various disorders and diseases- many of which have been contracted in jail.

Ya know what happens to the prisoner who gets raped in the shower and contracts HIV? He's serves out his flippin' sentence, thats what!!! Unjust? You bet. And exquisitely unjust after atrocities like this.

We can make an argument saying people shouldn't be jailed for this and that, and I'll stand with a lot of it. But Paris got off cause she is Paris. And before anyone points out that she didn't get off- well, SHE might call it house arrest. But I would call getting stuck in a mansion with pools and fine dining and theaters and personal massage and.... whatever, at the snap of a finger, well, I'd call that a vacation!!! Only I couldn't afford THAT vacation.

These rich folk... They can become movie stars or music icons. They get billion dollar conglomerates handed to them. They become President of the USA after failing at the family business. What they DON'T do is live by OUR laws.

[Lazlo]

I served 4 damn weekends for my first and only DWI. Lost my license for 6 months and got $900 in fines. grrr.

[Bobcat]

Lost my license for six months, classes up the arse... oh yea, and debt.

[Doctor D]

Originally Posted by Lazlo

I served 4 damn weekends for my first and only DWI. Lost my license for 6 months and got $900 in fines. grrr.

What do you suppose would have happened to you if you would have been caught driving 3 more times on that suspended license?

The judge is sending her back in. I wonder who has the final authority here?

[Bobcat]

The judge. Unless she appeals on some constitutional basis.

New pics of her freaking out do make me feel bad, but the blame of her current condition falls on the sheriff, imo.

[Hippie3]

what good is money if it can't buy priviledge ?

[eastwood]

In the news recently i heard about a coyote eating her dog.Shes still Hot imo

[Doctor D]

Don't know why you bumped this thread, it was totally undeserving of it.

It should be noted that my position on Paris Hilton has changed completely. I saw a few videos of her smoking pot, eating mushrooms, talking, and just being Paris Hilton. I like her now, and believe it was wrong of me to judge her. I'm also looking forward to seeing this new documentary of her, "Paris, Not France".

I think she's a beautiful woman, and that she's treated very unfairly in the media. So, this is my official apology to Paris Hilton for being a dick. My bad.

[eastwood]

Originally Posted by Doctor D

Don't know why you bumped this thread, it was totally undeserving of it.

You must not have seen the video.


Just bumping a few threads brother tis all.