Psilo extract in Everclear

[Soliver]

Originally Posted by Doctor D

That's essentially what I did, except that I did grind my mushrooms. While stewing and evaporating, I left it in a sealed jar in a dark closet. The original mushrooms were potent; the extract, not so much. I don't know why I've even held onto it, as it's now pretty much worthless except for making some really foul shroom-flavored Everclear and Cokes. The only guess I have in regards to the potency loss is that the long periods at room temperature harmed it. In all honesty, it was probably two months before I finally strained and evaporated. Sol, you don't think the time at room temperature was the problem?

Did you let it evaporate by itself, or did you use a fan or some other means?

If you left it open to air too long, it may have damaged the goodies, I'm
tempted to say "oxidized," but that's just a term I've picked up from other
threads... who really knows what happens? I use a fan over a pyrex dish,
evap it down to close to where I want it, then pour it into a pyrex measuring
bowl to finish the evaporation.

I can't imagine that letting it sit ruined it, unless it was uncovered? Beats me,
always works for me...

As for absinthe, well . . .

I've never noticed ANY effects from absinthe except drunkeness, and I tried
many different brands, including several brought back by friends (per my
request) from overseas. The only absinthe that did a damn was the batch
I made myself, but I also happened to dump about 20 poppy pods into the
mix, let it steep for a week or so, strained, bottled, and rapidly re-addicted
myself to poppy pods Convenience is certainly an evil when it comes
to these things, no?



soliver

[twistedman]

try doing three extractions on the same materal. one with 75% everclear, one with 99% everclear, and a third with 75% everclear with ascorbic acid in it. then let the first two extractions evaporate ass much as posssable then add the third to it.

[TVCasualty]

How do you make your 99% Everclear?

Or rather, how do you make your Everclear 99%?

[bear]

Originally Posted by bear

I dont know why everyone soaks so long, it isn't needed. Srsly. There isn't any reason to heat it to 100deg. either, or at least I wouldn't do it. Filter out the biological mass early then let it sit if you want crystals. Psilly crystals are fine as long as they are still in the mother liquor and in a cool, dark, place.

Now I know why everyone soaks so long. And make sure your alcohol has some water in it, don't use 100% dry alcohol.

[twistedman]

Originally Posted by TVCasualty

How do you make your 99% Everclear?

Or rather, how do you make your Everclear 99%?

depending on your state you can buy 95% everclear wich works fine or you can distill a bottle of everclear

[DrDee]

Hi Guys,
I'm in the middle of an Everclear extraction. I cheated a few days ago and drank a tablespoon in some orange juice and got a mild trip.

Far as availability...I recently ordered a case of 191 Everclear from a company called the WineChateau. Shipped to me (in a state where Everclear sales is limited). Just had to have a signature from someone over 21 to accept the package from Fedex. No biggie...
Dee

[TVCasualty]

Originally Posted by twistedman

depending on your state you can buy 95% everclear wich works fine or you can distill a bottle of everclear

Yes, I can get 95%, I was just wondering how you got 99%. Distilling is only good to get you to 95%, about the point at which alcohol becomes an azeotrope .

[Soliver]

Originally Posted by bear

Now I know why everyone soaks so long. And make sure your alcohol has some water in it, don't use 100% dry alcohol.

Bear, I'm going to have to disagree with you 100% on both counts.

I haven't seen any reports suggesting that long soaks hurt the extract, or
that straight everclear makes a bad extract, but EVERY thread I've seen
wherein a bum extract came out, the consistencies have been:

1) short soak
2) used 80 proof or similar alcohol (even bacardi 151 doesn't seem to work
as well).

I'm not suggesting that you can't get a decent extract following your
methods, but I can tell you that using pure everclear and a long soak has
worked EVERY time for anyone I've encountered...

Besides, anecdotal observations suggest that H2O pulls out some unwanted
elements from the shrooms (the stuff that gives you the shits), which
is why shroom tea KILLS my stomach, but everclear extract is as pure
and clean as the driven snow.

Also, the "good stuff" will degrade when frozen in water... the shroom ice cubes I
used to make only lasted a few months in the freezer, while everclear
extract lasts at least three years (that's the longest I've ever kept any,
at least - as good the day I sipped the last dose as the day I decanted
it into the mini plastic shampoo bottle).



soliver

[Soliver]

Oh, and 100% alcohol is practically impossible to obtain.. the highest you can make
is 96% - any higher than that, and the alcohol becomes hydroscopic and pulls water
from the air.



soliver

[Doctor D]

Originally Posted by Soliver

Did you let it evaporate by itself, or did you use a fan or some other means?

If you left it open to air too long, it may have damaged the goodies, I'm
tempted to say "oxidized," but that's just a term I've picked up from other
threads... who really knows what happens? I use a fan over a pyrex dish,
evap it down to close to where I want it, then pour it into a pyrex measuring
bowl to finish the evaporation.

I can't imagine that letting it sit ruined it, unless it was uncovered? Beats me,
always works for me...

Yep, I left it sit uncovered and allowed the alcohol to evaporate off by itself. That's probably where my problem was - I should have used a fan. Live and learn! I'll get it right next time.

[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by Doctor D

Yep, I left it sit uncovered and allowed the alcohol to evaporate off by itself. That's probably where my problem was - I should have used a fan. Live and learn! I'll get it right next time.

that's an expensive waste
of good ethanol.
you need a reflux -
cf.

[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

that's an expensive waste
of good ethanol.
you need a reflux -
cf.

ice in top [flipped over lid]
condenses alcohol vapors
raining pure ethanol
into the middle [looks like a angel food cake pan]
after percolating thru the
shrooms /plant material goes in pan with the holes
bottom pan holds solvent [booze or water]
use only electric heat, no flame.
vent area well.
this 'kit' was made from a steam juicer/extractor,
made in finland
sold by lehman's [amish/ non-electric tools]

[Doctor D]

Awesome! Could the same technique be applied to the evaporation of other solvents, such as for spice extraction?

Edit: Oh, I see it uses heat. Maybe a bad idea to use with naphtha or hexane.

[lysergic]

kinda like a soxhlet

Originally Posted by Doctor D

Awesome! Could the same technique be applied to the evaporation of other solvents, such as for spice extraction?

Edit: Oh, I see it uses heat. Maybe a bad idea to use with naphtha or hexane.

It could work if you used an electric hotplate and were outside or in an extremely well-ventilated area.

[Hippie3]

the 'rubber band'
seen at the top
stretches as needed
to vent pressure.
for explosive gases
you'd need a special lab-grade sealed electric heat source,
spark-free.
but i've used mine
many times
on bulk pot leaves & ethanol.
salvaged about 75% of the everclear
per each pass-thru.

[buteo]

wow that looks awesome hippie! digging the design. Im not 1 to be always complimenting you hip(not that u dont deserve it but i think other people do it enough) But that is truly an awesome setup!!!! Wow!

[whatchamacallit]

It's just like a metal Coldfinger extractor.

[Hippie3]

btw
that green thing in the diagram
is a plastic trashbag,
keeps any water
from ice melting
out of your extract.

[psyclone]

I usually dont post much but this is shit is so interesting that now i really have to participate!
Friend of mine has 5g of Cubes soaking in denaturated ethanol 91%. BTW, that denaturated stuff tastes really bad but hes going to evaporate the mixture to about 1g/ml so he doesnt have to drink it that much... =)
I´ve read huge amount of different teks and stuff but i still have things that im unsure of...
Some of the teks tells you to heat up the mixture... As far as i know this is going to degrade the efficiency. Am i right? In some texts is said that heating will turn psilocybin into psilocin...I dont know what to think about that. Does that seem right to some of you chemists?
Then there is this crystallizing thingy. Some people say that they are carbohydrates that arent "psychoactive" and others say that they are very potent psilocin crystals.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/show...umber/10202867
In this tek Blah soaks crushed mushies only 12h and then evaporates ethanol out of it. He also filters the "fats" out of the solution in the middle of evaporation process. He claims that he has got no potency loss with hes tek!
Can this be true?
I´ve also read that psilocin will crystallize at the bottom of the final mixture if its put in the freezer. My friend here would like to keep hes extract as a solution. Can he preserve it in the fridge without having to worry about crystals or is it possible to get the crystals back to liquid somehow?
Im assuming that the potency of crystals will degrade because of oxidation. I think i´ve read that from somewhere but not sure about it.

Oh, and i´ve been practising my english! Please do correct if theres big grammar mistakes...

[Hippie3]

cf. http://archives.mycotopia.net/discus...tml?1093201399

[Soliver]

I've tried crystals several times with no real effects... if you consume enough of them
when they're wet, you'll get off, but that's extract, not "crystalized psilly."

I'm no chemist, but the "sugars" theory works for me.

Shroom mythology keeps me from using heat - besides, the one time I tried heat, I
broke some glass and almost blew up my kitchen. Time and no heat works great,
and I haven't had 100g of shrooms spill on the floor, inside the stove, etc.

The crystals will dissolve back into solution when it reaches room temps and you
swirl it around in your hand, or you can just dose the liquid, reserving the crystals
for a future experiment wherein you support one side or the other in this debate

luck,

soliver

[lysergic]

Originally Posted by psyclone

I usually dont post much but this is shit is so interesting that now i really have to participate!
Friend of mine has 5g of Cubes soaking in denaturated ethanol 91%. BTW, that denaturated stuff tastes really bad but hes going to evaporate the mixture to about 1g/ml so he doesnt have to drink it that much... =)
I´ve read huge amount of different teks and stuff but i still have things that im unsure of...
Some of the teks tells you to heat up the mixture... As far as i know this is going to degrade the efficiency. Am i right? In some texts is said that heating will turn psilocybin into psilocin...I dont know what to think about that. Does that seem right to some of you chemists?
Then there is this crystallizing thingy. Some people say that they are carbohydrates that arent "psychoactive" and others say that they are very potent psilocin crystals.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/10202867
In this tek Blah soaks crushed mushies only 12h and then evaporates ethanol out of it. He also filters the "fats" out of the solution in the middle of evaporation process. He claims that he has got no potency loss with hes tek!
Can this be true?
I´ve also read that psilocin will crystallize at the bottom of the final mixture if its put in the freezer. My friend here would like to keep hes extract as a solution. Can he preserve it in the fridge without having to worry about crystals or is it possible to get the crystals back to liquid somehow?
Im assuming that the potency of crystals will degrade because of oxidation. I think i´ve read that from somewhere but not sure about it.

Oh, and i´ve been practising my english! Please do correct if theres big grammar mistakes...

I didn't think denatured alcohol was meant to be drank?

[Hippie3]

the authorities were clever,
the denaturing agent evaporates
at the same temperature
as the ethanol
so if you boil it ALL off
the residue is safe.
you can even use methanol
but same deal,
gotta boil it ALL off,
not even a whiff left.
but drinking it ?
blech.
that's crazy.

[psyclone]

Its denaturated with tert-butanol what makes it taste really bad but its drinkable.
ethanol 91,2%
tert-butanol 3%
water 5,8%
LD50 (ethanol, rat, orally) 7060mg/kg
LD50 (tert-butanol, rat, orally) 3500mg/kg
Also i know people who drink this stuff rather than liqueur store stuff because its cheap and easy to get. I´ve tried it couple of times too. You just forget the taste along the night... Although the taste is back in your mouth at the next morning... It´s used for cleaning electronics and optical instruments in labs. Its illegal to sell (consumable) alcohol products over 60% in stores at my country...
Alcoholics drink much nastier stuff in here, believe me...

[Soliver]

Originally Posted by psyclone

Alcoholics drink much nastier stuff in here, believe me...

"in here?"

Woof ... gotta be hardup to drink denatured under any circumstances...
don't think I wanna know where "here" is...



soliver