Charlie Sheen's 911 Video/Message to Obama~

[Ras Asad]

Charlie Sheen has stunned Americans by claiming the US Government were behind the 9/11 atrocity.

Sheen appealed to President Barack Obama to hold a new investigation into the attacks on the Twin Towers in New York and the Pentagon in Washington DC.

Sheen, 44, the highest paid actor on US TV, said the official 9/11 story is "an absolute fairytale, a complete work of fiction and not a very good one".

He claims the attacks served as "the pretext for the dismantling of our Constitution and Bill of Rights" and to justify war on Iraq.

He also hints that Osama bin Laden works for the US government.

Sheen, who appears in the hit comedy series Two And A Half Men, made his claims in the transcript of a fictional encounter with Mr Obama, called Twenty Minutes With The President.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/6171714/Charlie-Sheen-claims-US-government-was-behind-911.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1212543/Charlie-Sheen-demands-speak-Barack-Obama-9-11-government-cover-up.html

http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/celeb-heads-only-a-proper-charlie-demands-to-see-the-us-president-1883975.html

http://news.google.com/news/search?pz=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=charlie+sheen&as_qdr=d& as_drrb=q&cf=all&scoring=d




For all those we've lost...
rest in bliss.

[Ras Asad]

[911aware]

911 was an inside job

[RestartLater]

A very sad day and I grieve for the innocent whom gave their life on this day

RestartLater

[Ras Asad]

[wildburr]

Charlie Sheen is a nutbag conspiracy theorist in my opinion. I'm also quite sick of TV and movie stars spouting off about things they claim to know all the answers to, they dont. And most of all I dont believe the conspiracy theories anyway. No offense meant just My .02 and may all 2,974 that died that day rest in peace (except for the fuckers who perpetrated this awful deed)

[mycowarrier]

Originally Posted by wildburr

Charlie Sheen is a nutbag conspiracy theorist in my opinion. I'm also quite sick of TV and movie stars spouting off about things they claim to know all the answers to, they dont. And most of all I dont believe the conspiracy theories anyway. No offense meant just My .02 and may all 2,974 that died that day rest in peace (except for the fuckers who perpetrated this awful deed)

Agreed. I think sheen is bitter with authority figures in this country due to his "run-ins" with And the huge amount of taxes he propably pays

[SpiritMolecule]

The facts are pretty blatant.

[~Hippie3]

that's true,
facts that is.
conspiracy crap is just that, crap.
nowhere near the facts.
frankly i'd gladly shoot old charlie between the eyes
with my .45
for so disrespecting the dead.

[Ras Asad]

serious?

sure, the messenger means nothing...
just another hollywood dick, agreed..
but sadly in this cuntry..
the majority of "people" will only pay attention if they hear it from their beloved hollywood "stars" and 'famous people'.

and you call asking for a proper investigation,
disrespect for the dead?
fkn seriously?

that is all thats really being done here,
asking for a proper investigation

can you argue the facts?
the same facts that you probably did not even read..
wildburr, did you?
can you argue the facts?
these are Facts!

argue the messengers all day,
talk about how badly youd like to "shoot them between the eyes" all you like
but there is nothing you can say that changes the facts.

I lost loved ones that day..
I certainly dont feel this as disrespect to them.

Please, this isnt poster for entertainment, this has ACTUAL FACTS, if you care to read them.
Go on, read them.
please, argue them.
you cant.
and it's only a few

how bout the video?
did you even wtch it to see what was being said/requested?
doesnt seem like it.

this is in honor of those who died.
seriously.
you guys like to tell "truthers" to 'get a grip',
you all who refuse to look at facts, get a fkn grip.

[Ras Asad]

psstt... just because the poster says "for dummies"
doesn't mean you guys are not allowed to read it.
(a compliment) lol

oh yeah, those are facts.

[wildburr]

I read the Facts, as a matter of fact and Im not arguing any of them because I cannot substantiate them just from a poster. I will do a little research to see If I could find these "facts" credible and not just put out there by whomever. I said nothing about disrespecting the dead or shooting anyone (I'm truly sorry you lost loved ones that day), I was merely commenting on how I'm sick of the hollywood types always spouting off. How do you know all of these are Facts, can you provide solid legitimate proof of everything listed? Every article you posted all called him a conspiracy theorist.

[Exit Stage Left]

Ras, what if another investigation is done and they come to the same conclusion? You think Sheen would accept that?

[911aware]

Originally Posted by Ras Asad

serious?

no shit.

i think is is highly DIShonorable to have them die in a government sponsored false flag attack. Our government has done it several times in the past. Ever heard of the Gulf on Tonkien? That got us in the Vietnam war, and was completely staged.

The best way to honor them is to fight for the TRUTH.

[911aware]

Originally Posted by Exit Stage Left

Ras, what if another investigation is done and they come to the same conclusion? You think Sheen would accept that?

wouldn't matter anyway....6 of the 10 9/11 commision members said that the investigation was a joke

[whatchamacallit]

I think the movie about 9/11 being a controlled demolition, as well as the poster of facts, sure seem to make sense to me. They have many scientists talk about how jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt the steel frame in place in the towers and more, in the movie. They sure do make a pretty good argument, and I agree the government should probably do a further investigation to take these points into consideration. Maybe I am a just a conspiracy theory nut, but I sure do believe it's possible that it was an inside job, but I can't prove or disprove it, so I usually don't care to argue about it passionately. I have my ideas, though..

[Lazlo]

"They have many scientists talk about how jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt the steel frame in place in the towers and more"

That is completely incorrect. Jet fuel is plenty hot enough (especially 1000's of gallons of it fully loaded into jets) to implode those towers with ease.

[orison319]

yawn..

[Ras Asad]

yea.. yawn...
and right back to zzzzz..
i know.
it is 'comfy'.

Ras, what if another investigation is done and they come to the same conclusion? You think Sheen would accept that?

lol,
i dont care what some actor accepts or not.

this is more about what those in power failed to do,
that they had all the power to do...

stop this.

they didnt.

nor did they allow for proper investigation of their failures.

[hyphaenation]

For good or for ill I just watched an interesting documentary on what may or may not have brought down the WTC buildings. Mostly because i'am intrigued by building 7 , and how it could fully come down due to fires on two floors.

Building 7 had some serious tenants:

IRS , CIA , US Secret Service , Mayor's Office of Emergency Mgmt

This was'nt some old delapitated building without advanced fire suppression equipment. Anyhow i'm not claiming to have any answers , just questions.

Here's the link to the movie. Feel free not to click it of course.

http://www.911revisited.com/video.html

[Ras Asad]

Anyhow i'm not claiming to have any answers , just questions.

thats all ive got to , man.

thanks for the link.


have this one a look see (if you wish) (a new pentagon-crash investigation)

Several Eyewitness accounts are aggregated, including a Pentagon police officer painting a different picture than the one given by The U.S. Government.

"To put it as concisely as possible, the plane had to have flown on a very specific flight path in the final seconds before it reached the Pentagon in order to have caused the observed damage, starting with the light poles that were photographed on the ground and ending with the directional damage to the building itself which was outlined in detail by the American Society of Civil Engineers," explains Ranke. "The government claims the plane flew on this flight path and hit the building. The eyewitnesses in all of the most critical vantage points, on the other hand, independently, unanimously, and unequivocally report a drastically different flight path, proving that the plane absolutely could not have hit the light poles or the building. It is a non-controversial scientific fact that a strike from this trajectory would have caused a very different damage path."




www.thepeoplesvoice.org
(visit the link for the full news article)

http://www.prlog.org/10322926-independent-investigation-into-pentagon-attack-yields-alarming-information.html

81 minute Video Presentation: Scroll to bottom of page for link
www.citizeninvestigationteam.com...

[whatchamacallit]

Originally Posted by Lazlo

"They have many scientists talk about how jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt the steel frame in place in the towers and more"

That is completely incorrect. Jet fuel is plenty hot enough (especially 1000's of gallons of it fully loaded into jets) to implode those towers with ease.

Well, they give charts, references, and various data, so maybe you could take a look at the movie, then find sources to disprove it. Simply saying it's not true, doesn't sway my opinion, because they seem to make a much better argument.

[Ras Asad]

How do you know all of these are Facts,

you could know the same..
you answered your own question before you asked it.

I will do a little research to see If I could find these "facts" credible and not just put out there by whomever

bingo.

thanks.

[Ras Asad]

Originally Posted by whatchamacallit

Well, they give charts, references, and various data, so maybe you could take a look at the movie, then find sources to disprove it. Simply saying it's not true, doesn't sway my opinion, because they seem to make a much better argument.

yeah.
and then there's building 7

[Lazlo]

Originally Posted by whatchamacallit

Well, they give charts, references, and various data, so maybe you could take a look at the movie, then find sources to disprove it. Simply saying it's not true, doesn't sway my opinion, because they seem to make a much better argument.

What do you mean by find sources? The shit happens quite often. Find them yourself.

[Lazlo]

Ehhhh, why not.

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/kade...uralsteelquick

"Despite the fire-fighters' efforts, Building One collapsed completely at approximately 5:14 p.m. Fanned by strong winds blowing toward the north, the blaze spread quickly into Buildings Two and Three before the fire brigade could effectively defend them. Building Two reportedly collapsed at 5:30 p.m., and Building Three at 6:05 p.m."

"4. It is reported that buildings numbers 1-4 were four story buildings constructed with an unprotected steel structure. (Unprotected means that the steel was not insulated against heat and looses its strength at high temperatures such as those generated in a structural fire.) The floor of the four buildings were prefabricated concrete. The fire completely destroyed three of the four large buildings."

http://www.interfire.org/res_file/pdf/Tr-097.pdf

http://www.fpemag.com/archives/artic...ue_id=27&i=153

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...AGVOPHQU46.DTL

And don't even get me started on the "put" options that were soaked up prior to the attacks. That one's easy.

You guys kill me with your ridiculous claims. While you say "Go on, read them.
please, argue them. you cant." Well, hell. It took me a whopping 120 seconds to prove you wrong on this one and will take me a whopping 2 seconds to prove you wrong on the "put" options, because I already know it.

[Ras Asad]

uhh....

what did you prove wrong?

[Lazlo]

That there's more steel structures that have "collapsed" from a fire than just the WTC's. And I already know the answer to the put options scandal, as I remember the investigation, clearly. You're the one that said "Please, this isnt poster for entertainment, this has ACTUAL FACTS, if you care to read them.
Go on, read them.
please, argue them.
you cant.
and it's only a few"

Well, I killed 2 of them, in no time flat.

[mycowarrier]

Originally Posted by Lazlo

"They have many scientists talk about how jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt the steel frame in place in the towers and more"

That is completely incorrect. Jet fuel is plenty hot enough (especially 1000's of gallons of it fully loaded into jets) to implode those towers with ease.

Right. "fanned by strong winds" even wood burns hot enough to melt steel. And the added explosions could have easily been caused by fuel soaked rooms "thousands of gallons" causing vapors to explode.

[hyphaenation]

Mycowarrior , or anyone.

What are your thoughts on building 7 collapsing ? The one that no plane hit ...

Did fires cause it to free-fall in 6+ seconds ?



And another one. Check what the lease-holder of the building says at 1:20

[TVCasualty]

Where's bin Laden? He could sure help us all out by turning himself in and explaining a few things. It shouldn't be too hard to find a 6' 6" Saudi who is on dialysis in the mountains of Pakistan or wherever.

And why not so much as a single nightclub bombing in a major U.S. city since 2001? Those kinds of attacks are par for the course in many countries plagued by terrorism, and with the dire threats bin Laden made in his videos after the attacks I'd have expected at least something to happen. If tonnage of cocaine and heroin can get across the border, lots of explosives can make it through, too.

And yet... nothing. Don't get me wrong; I ain't complaining but transcendentally-motivated extremists are not known for patiently biding their time.

I guess I'm one of those for whom this shit just doesn't add up, and there is a whole lot of it to consider, though this site is probably not the best venue. I'm not claiming to know who did what, just that what's going into the official history books is probably not true. What's posted on a lot of conspiracy websites probably isn't true either, but even if the truth can be found somewhere between "muslim extremists" and "inside job," that's still not good news at all for the rest of us.

[mycowarrier]

Well that is the 64 million dollar question i suppose. That building[building 7] did appear to have a controlled collapse. No people inside at the time,[as far as i know] and may have been a planned demolition for safety reasons as the press speculated.
I agree that the investigation is flawed but what is'nt when the government and or the CIA is involved. Being left in the dark is considered the best policy by some of the top brass in this country. But i dont think the jets crashing into buildings was an "inside job". That's pure BS.

[Irishlion]

Obviously, you have never seen JP 8 burn huh or JP4 for that matter, JP incase you didn't know means is Jet Petroleum 8 of course the grade at to which its refined. It burns at a temp of upwards of 2000F, steel melts at 2500°F its stress point at a which it becomes red hot is 1400f - 2200f depending on grade of the structural steel used so that means it will bend at 1400f with a certain amount of force without breaking, steel with MASSIVE amounts of weight on it won't bend it will straight fold or compress or quite literally tear.

Analysis of the stell used in the world trade centers
http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR%201-3.pdf

Now lets just say for instance, you take a small 12 inch I-beam 20 feet long and we heat the beam in the center to even 1000 F with a weight of 5000 pounds, What will happen to the beam. First its gonna bend then once the stress tolerance has been reached it will what BREAK or FOLD, now imagine that same beam with the same weight on it heated to 1500 F it will fold and bend considerablly quicker, now lets talk about a 24 inch H beam, Lots higher stress quality and its gonna be stronger, unless of course you heat it, wow Imagine that heats weakens steel, no of course not steel won't weaken under heat, it won't collapse under massive amounts of weights like CONCRETE while being heated, hell no!!!!!! THE goverment had to plant a bomb in it to weaken the stell, COME FUCKING ON, DAMN, so u telling me that a fucking 747 crashing into a building FULL of JP8 or even JP4 for that matter, damaging the stucture considerablly by the sheer force of the crash, then the resulting fire heating the steel, then the weight lets guess here OH 200,000 Tons of concrete and more steel on top of that, won't make it fail, ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? COME ON, DO SOME DAMN RESEARCH before you go running off the mouth about some idiotic conspiracy theory, DAMN MAN.

Gravity does play a factor here, Steel once heated looses it temper, UMMM WHATS TEMPER, well if your spouting off the mouth about this type of shit and you don't know I am not going to tell you. Look it up.

SO now lets think logically here for a minute, Steel beams get weakened severely from a 747 crashing into them, then the resulting fire from that trama, helps to reduce the temper of the steel, then the fact that we have gravity on this plant meaning everything is drawn down or toward the surface of the planet, also there was about 200,000 tons of concrete and steel above that, so the beams collapse or snap (now remember that cold steel will break alot quicker than it will if its hot), resulting in a massive impact of said weight onto the floor below it, creating more downard force, smashing into the floor below it, then that creates more weight and more stress smashing into the floor below it each, Force and weight multiplying exponentially as it falls onto the floor below it, exceding each floors maxium stress point leading to collaspe of that floor, that floors debris adding to the weight of the debris of the floors above it, crushing the next floor, each reaction becoming quicker and exponentially multiplying in downward force and weight until it reaches the surface.

So before ya start spouing off riduclious conspiricy theroies about 911, ya might wanna think logically for a second, and remember that even steel will bend and break at the right stress and temps.

[August West]

Originally Posted by mycowarrier

and may have been a planned demolition for safety reasons as the press speculated.

seems pretty incredible that the building could have been brought down by planned demolition for safety reasons. i'm under the impression that demolition takes a LONG time to set up - even when the city isn't under attack.

press speculation or planted story?

seems pretty incredible...just like the rest of the official tripe.



follow the money

[mycowarrier]

If you revue the posted videos [first time ive seen them] You will see there was discussion about "pulling" building 7 well after the Twin towers collapsed. They "pulled" the remains of the twin towers for the same reason. for safety. Doesnt take long for expert demolitionists to drop a building in an emergency.

[August West]

Originally Posted by Irishlion

Obviously, you have never seen JP 8 burn huh or JP4 for that matter, JP incase you didn't know means is Jet Petroleum 8 of course the grade at to which its refined. It burns at a temp of upwards of 2000F, steel melts at 2500°F its stress point at a which it becomes red hot is 1400f - 2200f depending on grade of the structural steel used so that means it will bend at 1400f with a certain amount of force without breaking, steel with MASSIVE amounts of weight on it won't bend it will straight fold or compress or quite literally tear.

Analysis of the stell used in the world trade centers
http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR%201-3.pdf

Now lets just say for instance, you take a small 12 inch I-beam 20 feet long and we heat the beam in the center to even 1000 F with a weight of 5000 pounds, What will happen to the beam. First its gonna bend then once the stress tolerance has been reached it will what BREAK or FOLD, now imagine that same beam with the same weight on it heated to 1500 F it will fold and bend considerablly quicker, now lets talk about a 24 inch H beam, Lots higher stress quality and its gonna be stronger, unless of course you heat it, wow Imagine that heats weakens steel, no of course not steel won't weaken under heat, it won't collapse under massive amounts of weights like CONCRETE while being heated, hell no!!!!!! THE goverment had to plant a bomb in it to weaken the stell, COME FUCKING ON, DAMN, so u telling me that a fucking 747 crashing into a building FULL of JP8 or even JP4 for that matter, damaging the stucture considerablly by the sheer force of the crash, then the resulting fire heating the steel, then the weight lets guess here OH 200,000 Tons of concrete and more steel on top of that, won't make it fail, ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? COME ON, DO SOME DAMN RESEARCH before you go running off the mouth about some idiotic conspiracy theory, DAMN MAN.

Gravity does play a factor here, Steel once heated looses it temper, UMMM WHATS TEMPER, well if your spouting off the mouth about this type of shit and you don't know I am not going to tell you. Look it up.

SO now lets think logically here for a minute, Steel beams get weakened severely from a 747 crashing into them, then the resulting fire from that trama, helps to reduce the temper of the steel, then the fact that we have gravity on this plant meaning everything is drawn down or toward the surface of the planet, also there was about 200,000 tons of concrete and steel above that, so the beams collapse or snap (now remember that cold steel will break alot quicker than it will if its hot), resulting in a massive impact of said weight onto the floor below it, creating more downard force, smashing into the floor below it, then that creates more weight and more stress smashing into the floor below it each, Force and weight multiplying exponentially as it falls onto the floor below it, exceding each floors maxium stress point leading to collaspe of that floor, that floors debris adding to the weight of the debris of the floors above it, crushing the next floor, each reaction becoming quicker and exponentially multiplying in downward force and weight until it reaches the surface.

So before ya start spouing off riduclious conspiricy theroies about 911, ya might wanna think logically for a second, and remember that even steel will bend and break at the right stress and temps.

irish, this theory doesn't compensate for wt7 at all.
no planes.
no jet fuel.
no buildings between the towers and wt7 fell.
the explanations don't wash for this one.

wt7 is the glaring problem with official theory.
explaining that one will greatly reduce the 'conspiracy' theories, which by the way has been an amazing use of language to negate legitimate debate.

i'm not beyond the fact that charlie sheen and alex jones are complete fuck-wits. or even the - gasp - conspiracy theory, that jones is actually a disinfo-op fucking up legitimate debate. however, the holes are there and they are gaping.

i can pay any demo or physics expert enough to tell you what you wanna hear. it's been done and done on this particular issue. links to quotes and stories abound 'proving' both sides. this is why it will NEVER actually be known what went down. just like kennedy, where, for all the money, the evidence is on tape - it's all circumstantial and therefor nothing will ever come of it.

thats why i say,

follow the money.

Originally Posted by mycowarrier

If you revue the posted videos [first time ive seen them] You will see there was discussion about "pulling" building 7 well after the Twin towers collapsed. They "pulled" the remains of the twin towers for the same reason. for safety. Doesnt take long for expert demolitionists to drop a building in an emergency.

i've revued the posted videos and ones that were more in context than the chopped up ones in the post. when people started asking what they meant when they said they 'pulled' the building, the response was that 'pulling' the building actually meant that they 'pulled' everyone out of it - employees, police, firefighters etc. this was said because, in demolition speak, as you know, pulling means to bring a building down intentionally and that just sounded a bit too fishy i guess.

when it hit the fan that people were wondering how on earth the building was wired to be pulled, the story quickly changed to match what i've said in the above paragraph. why? because saying you pulled it, means that people musta been in there well earlier in order to plant the explosives in time to bring it down. it's also imperative to have the area completely cleared of people, just in case something goes wrong. I WAS BY NO MEANS THERE, but i assume that the situation was a little chaotic to be 'pulling' off a controlled demo, just to prevent whatever may happen next.

now that sounds like a ridiculous theory to me. i guess i should label it a conspiracy to negate it's legitimacy.

full respect to myco and irish.
just my .02

[mycowarrier]

Right back at ya AW I viewed the "fractured" videos here for the first time and I learned alot from all the posts here. I hope that there is further investigations about the tragedy. Charlie sheen is at least keeping the book open for us.

[BuckarooBanzai]

The problem I have with the 9/11 conspiracy theories (and government conspiracy theories in general) is they all require a cabal of very high level, very intelligent conspiracists pulling the strings. Those theories also require an army of ground level folks to actually get things done.

We are talking about the US federal government and intelligence agencies. The same people who have yet to find Osama bin Laden. The same people who all by destroyed Colin Powell by being wrong about massive volumes of WMDs in Iraq.

It defies my imagination to believe they pulled off this massive false flag attack against America (in utter secrecy) - but didn't think to plant a few WMDs in Iraq. These are NOT bright people we are talking about.

I find the concept of them having run a giant conspiracy to be so bizarre as to be completely laughable.

[August West]

Originally Posted by BuckarooBanzai

The problem I have with the 9/11 conspiracy theories (and government conspiracy theories in general) is they all require a cabal of very high level, very intelligent conspiracists pulling the strings. Those theories also require an army of ground level folks to actually get things done.

We are talking about the US federal government and intelligence agencies. The same people who have yet to find Osama bin Laden. The same people who all by destroyed Colin Powell by being wrong about massive volumes of WMDs in Iraq.

It defies my imagination to believe they pulled off this massive false flag attack against America (in utter secrecy) - but didn't think to plant a few WMDs in Iraq. These are NOT bright people we are talking about.
I find the concept of them having run a giant conspiracy to be so bizarre as to be completely laughable.

i actually agree with most of this,
though, i'm not fully convinced dick cheney isn't capable of ANYTHING.
i do think though, that there was foreknowledge, as well as money and resources available at and from the highest levels of gov't.

...oh yea,
i still wanna know how wtc7 came down.

also (sorry, second edit here)
the idea that 19 highjackers brought the U.S. 'homeland' defenses to their knees because they (the highjackers) loath shopping malls and disneyland is, at least, as big a fucking joke as ANY 'conspiracy theory' ...imho

[mycowarrier]

I would now include the lyrics to "money" by Pink Floyd if i was'nt so tired and enibriated. Even "us and them" by the same group. How about it you night owls?

[TVCasualty]

Originally Posted by BuckarooBanzai

The problem I have with the 9/11 conspiracy theories (and government conspiracy theories in general) is they all require a cabal of very high level, very intelligent conspiracists pulling the strings. Those theories also require an army of ground level folks to actually get things done.

We are talking about the US federal government and intelligence agencies. The same people who have yet to find Osama bin Laden. The same people who all by destroyed Colin Powell by being wrong about massive volumes of WMDs in Iraq.

We "secretly" bombed the shit out of Cambodia back during the Vietnam War, and that whole thing was Kissinger's baby. Actually, that was when the folks now called "neo-cons" first all got together as well, and Kissinger is still slithering around in the background. IMO if we want to know more about what's going on, we'll follow the money and Henry Kissinger. If you watch the documentary "The Trials of Henry Kissinger" you'll see what I mean.

Like with Cambodia, 9/11 is a secret, but it's a wide-open secret. These kinds of things are too big to look directly at without being overwhelmed by the implications, but were not all that complicated to pull off in the grand scheme of things. The public has a short memory, which helps a lot; Osama bin Whatshisnameagain?? Didn't we hang him? Or was that Saddam? But wasn't Saddam, like, Osama's boss or something? I saw something on Fox News about that, I think, and either way I'm not allowed to bring water on an airplane anymore so I'm sure we're all, like, safe and stuff now.

Bombing Cambodia and covering it up was just a paper shuffle, and the documentary I recommended shows how the information about bombing Cambodia was compartmentalized so no one (except a few at the top) knew exactly what was really going on. To me, 9/11 stinks of ol' Henry. The Cambodia coverup was exposed and didn't help Nixon's approval ratings (to say the least) but Kissinger slipped right on through the scandals and maintained his position of influence.

It could be argued that 9/11 has been partially exposed as a wide-open secret but like Cambodia that doesn't seem to matter; the architects continue to get away with these maneuvers. Oh, and in one of the most ironic coincidences ever (in my opinion), guess who was originally appointed to Chair the 9/11 Commission? Here's a hint: His initials are H.K.! Pretty spry old fellow, ain't he?

[August West]

Originally Posted by TVCasualty

We "secretly" bombed the shit out of Cambodia back during the Vietnam War, and that whole thing was Kissinger's baby. Actually, that was when the folks now called "neo-cons" first all got together as well, and Kissinger is still slithering around in the background. IMO if we want to know more about what's going on, we'll follow the money and Henry Kissinger. If you watch the documentary "The Trials of Henry Kissinger" you'll see what I mean.

Like with Cambodia, 9/11 is a secret, but it's a wide-open secret. These kinds of things are too big to look directly at without being overwhelmed by the implications, but were not all that complicated to pull off in the grand scheme of things. The public has a short memory, which helps a lot; Osama bin Whatshisnameagain?? Didn't we hang him? Or was that Saddam? But wasn't Saddam, like, Osama's boss or something? I saw something on Fox News about that, I think, and either way I'm not allowed to bring water on an airplane anymore so I'm sure we're all, like, safe and stuff now.

Bombing Cambodia and covering it up was just a paper shuffle, and the documentary I recommended shows how the information about bombing Cambodia was compartmentalized so no one (except a few at the top) knew exactly what was really going on. To me, 9/11 stinks of ol' Henry. The Cambodia coverup was exposed and didn't help Nixon's approval ratings (to say the least) but Kissinger slipped right on through the scandals and maintained his position of influence.

It could be argued that 9/11 has been partially exposed as a wide-open secret but like Cambodia that doesn't seem to matter; the architects continue to get away with these maneuvers. Oh, and in one of the most ironic coincidences ever (in my opinion), guess who was originally appointed to Chair the 9/11 Commission? Here's a hint: His initials are H.K.! Pretty spry old fellow, ain't he?

dude,

you totally neglected to mention his nobel peace prize.
he can't be that evil.

[whatchamacallit]

Just want to point out as well, that all the concrete turned to dust, and none of those 40+ steel beams in the building were standing, as well as the building 7 which fell at free fall speed, without any jet fuel, whatsoever. It all seems fishy to me, but again, some people are convinced the government reports are precisely accurate, even though lots of people who are very educated in their fields, think it had to be controlled demolition.

Also, I don't appreciate being told I don't think logically or that I am somehow of inferior intelligence because I am not convinced by "official" theory. I may not have all the answers, but I definitely think that there should be more questioning done to find out precisely how the towers just collapsed so quickly, especially one that was not touched by planes or jet fuel.

Plenty of people there heard lots of explosions, and even the newscasters, while watching it happen, thought that number 7, especially, looked like a controlled demolition, even before people started making these hypotheses. It's fine if you believe the "official" theory, but no one has proven it beyond a doubt, so I choose to remain open to more options, until someone convinces me otherwise.

[zodd]

Originally Posted by wildburr

Charlie Sheen is a nutbag conspiracy theorist in my opinion. I'm also quite sick of TV and movie stars spouting off about things they claim to know all the answers to, they dont. And most of all I dont believe the conspiracy theories anyway. No offense meant just My .02 and may all 2,974 that died that day rest in peace (except for the fuckers who perpetrated this awful deed)

I wish your lost people peace and also those of the common Iraqi people who have had neither a mention nor a prayer since this pointless escapade that has been the last 8 years started.

I wish hell on earth to those responsible.

[wildburr]

Originally Posted by zodd

I wish your lost people peace and also those of the common Iraqi people who have had neither a mention nor a prayer since this pointless escapade that has been the last 8 years started.

I wish hell on earth to those responsible.

You make a valid point, It is a shame that the innocent people of iraq that have died are not mentioned but most of them were killed by their own people (car bombs, suicide bombers etc). Some were killed by us but not all by far.

[Lazlo]

A shame, it is.

[Jawn]

Maybe I'm a bit cynical about the capabilities of our government, but I have a hard time believing the same government who can't even run a postal service without losing billions of dollars would be capable of that kind of mass coordination.

I've also got a hard time believing the several thousand everyday people that would have needed to be involved would be able to keep that silent. I know I'm not the only one that gets a loose tongue when I drink or get in the right moods.

Another problem you have here is that in this day and age, there are no renaissance men. Nobody knows everything about anything anymore, and no matter what ridiculous theory you have, there aren't really any people that exist with enough knowledge of every peripheral subject to know for sure what happened one way or another.

Show me the man who has an organized and sane understanding of the infinitely many events that happened to orchestrate that day, and I'll show you a man who's had way too much Ayahuasca. You show me a PhD. who says it's a government cover up, I'll show you one who says conspiracy theorists are morons. Experts aren't so expert, don'tcha know.

This isn't to say one side is right or one side is wrong; only that neither side knows, and using the word "facts" in bold letters doesn't make them any more factual or less opinionated. News facts are not facts. Government descriptions and investigations are not facts. Everybody has a bias and to not account for it or even acknowledge it is, to me anyway, a pretty naive way to go about your day.

[BuckarooBanzai]

People love a good conspiracy theory, especially when the events involved are too horrific and mind boggling to look directly in the face.

We've been arguing about just exactly what happened in Dealy Plaza for more than 40 years. I have an uncle who firmly believes the CIA killed John Lennon. And don't even get me started on who was really responsible for the assassination of Arch Duke Ferdinand.

A massive conspiracy is quite simply easier for many to accept than the idea that a madman would murder people just to make a point (or for no good reason at all). Conspiracies are quite simply more palatable than the idea of evil.

This isn't to say I'm not a fan of a good conspiracy theory - I love 'em. I don't just believe in the Illuminati, I also believe in the Dracos, the Greys and the hyperspace elves.

But I don't give the conspiracy hounds any more automatic credence than I give to the "official story."

The Whole Truth is rarely something that can be easily and completely comprehended.

[tenjin]

So any news on Obama responding to Sheen's request? I wonder if he even will?

As far as wtc7, I thought when Silverstien said "pull it", he was referring to a controlled demolition, since that is the industry term the way I understand it. But the question is how fast can they set up a controlled demolition? All those floors and drilling the holes to stuff the dynamite in. I thought it took a long time (weeks) to set something like that up. And the building to me really didn't seem in that bad enough shape to pull it, but in the video interview, Silverstien's reason was FDNY told him that they wouldn't be able to control the fire and he gave the go ahead to pull it, since he owned the building. Maybe the building has been rigged for years for emergency measures considering the three letter departments that occupied it (makes you wonder how many other buildings are rigged)? And the pics all over the net of the diagnally cut beam from the rubble is troubling considering the official story is the beams sagged from weight and heat (whats up with these pics, I wonder if they are credible). And as far as them not being smart enough to pull off something like that, I think Bush and Cheney are alot smarter than the media has made them out to be. And another one lol, why isn't there any video footage of the jumbo jet smacking the Pentagon? It's crazy how many questions arise when you look at all the general reporting done on 911. No wonder why so many people are still talking about it.

[Om shanti]

I think it's important to remember that just because the government has probably deliberately held back and/or perverted important information about what happened on that day, this does not mean the government is responsible for orchestrating that act. There are most likely other issues at stake than protecting the guilty.

If Cheney/Bush wanted pretexts for starting a war on terror and were cynical enough to want to kill American citizens for that, they could have realized that goal much more easy and 'efficiently'. Just because they profited on the political opportunities provided by 911, doesn't mean they did it.

I think that what happened on that day is beyond the comprehension of all the conspiracy theories, which focus on the role played by the U.S. government. Many of the theories do expose flaws in the official story, but their own conclusions are hasty and not less inconsistent. Just my 0.02$.