what does this do to you?

door#6 · 10-13-09, 23:18

"God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?"

AGAMA · 10-13-09, 23:55

Sorry, Dude, doesn't do anything at all for me.
I think we are all our own gods, each to thier own.
What you do with your "holiness" will determine what you get out of life.
And how you get it!

I walked away from other people's opinion as to what I should believe long ago.
I do what works for me, you do the same(either way!).

Peace.

marmy · 10-14-09, 00:55

All I know is this: About 21-22 years ago I was tripping on some cid . I looked at the coke machine and realized what the meaning of life was......

Have a coke and a smile

door#6 · 10-14-09, 01:03

not trying to make any point in particular
not looking for a certain response
the words had an effect on me though
and i wanted to share

cuban jestar, i lived near boqueron port facility
once upon a time

SilvrHairDevil · 10-14-09, 05:28

It's pretty hard to lay a guilt trip like that on people who know they are god or who have established their own special relationships with their own god(s).

That's probably why there's no Religion Forum.

ShroomGuerilla · 10-14-09, 09:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by marmy

All I know is this: About 21-22 years ago I was tripping on some cid . I looked at the coke machine and realized what the meaning of life was......

Have a coke and a smile

The meaning of life.... sponsored by Coca-Cola.

slowmow · 10-14-09, 10:44

gods not dead. I just seen him the other day live in concert. He was wearing a loincloth and singing and playing the guitar. Wait........... that was the nuge. You know, Ted Nugent. And just to respond to your question, all that does to me is make me wonder how one would take Ra's vital signs.

door#6 · 10-14-09, 14:47

the guy who is being quoted is friedrich nietzsche
i find it profound
and in no way offensive

no religion forum? the spiritual is addressed on these
forums as much as any topic outside of growing.

Irishlion · 10-14-09, 15:06

well what you don't find offensive someone else might and all it takes if for one person to find that post to be offensive to their religion and it will get taken down. Sorry but, thats the facts, and yes we don't have a religious forum here or usually get into religious discussions due to how they turn out, it never stays civil.

LotRev · 10-14-09, 16:10

I like that quote. I like what it has to say. I even agree with it on certain
levels. However, if I am to side with the idea that I killed God, then it seems
strange to me that I have no regrets, and I feel that I must trudge forward
anyhow, living in the darkness that I brought upon myself.

Well, Mr Nietzsche, my solution is to deal with the issues at hand,
mostly because I have no other choice.

Truth is, mushrooms killed my god, and I'm the one who consumed them,
so maybe I did kill god. But I must admit that I do hope to fill the position myself one day.

SilvrHairDevil · 10-14-09, 16:32

"no religion forum? spiritual is addressed on these forums as much as any topic..."

The terms "religion" & "spirituality", although they can overlap, are not interchangeable.

dial8 · 10-14-09, 17:06

The man you quote died a depressed/half crazy and lonely soul.
He also was one of those that could not get out of his own mind. You know the type. Those that believe it is impossible to prove anything outside of oneself.
I've read him, true, it is interesting, but sometimes too much philosophy gets in the way of actual living.

suckerfree · 10-14-09, 17:15

it was required reading when i was in school, i see no harm in discussing philosophy.

for those of you who haven't read Nietzsche, this might sum in up a little...

Explanation

"God is dead" never meant that Nietzsche believed in an actual God who first existed and then died in a literal sense. It may be more appropriate to consider the statement as Nietzsche's way of saying that the "God" of the times (religion and other such spirituality) is no longer a viable source of any received wisdom. Nietzsche recognizes the crisis which the death of God represents for existing moral considerations, because "When one gives up the Christian faith, one pulls the right to Christian morality out from under one's feet. This morality is by no means self-evident... By breaking one main concept out of Christianity, the faith in God, one breaks the whole: nothing necessary remains in one's hands."[1] This is why in "The Madman", a work which primarily addresses atheists, the problem is to retain any system of values in the absence of a divine order.

The death of God is a way of saying that humans are no longer able to believe in any such cosmic order since they themselves no longer recognize it. The death of God will lead, Nietzsche says, not only to the rejection of a belief of cosmic or physical order but also to a rejection of absolute values themselves — to the rejection of belief in an objective and universal moral law, binding upon all individuals. In this manner, the loss of an absolute basis for morality leads to nihilism. This nihilism is what Nietzsche worked to find a solution for by re-evaluating the foundations of human values. This meant, to Nietzsche, looking for foundations that went deeper than Christian values. He would find a basis in the "will to power" that he described as "the essence of reality."

Nietzsche believed that the majority of people did not recognize this death out of the deepest-seated fear or angst. Therefore, when the death did begin to become widely acknowledged, people would despair and nihilism would become rampant. This is partly why Nietzsche saw Christianity as nihilistic. He may have seen himself as a historical figure like Zarathustra, Socrates or Jesus, giving a new philosophical orientation to future generations to overcome the impending nihilism.
[edit] Nietzsche and Heidegger

Martin Heidegger understood this part of Nietzsche's philosophy by looking at it as death of metaphysics. In his view, Nietzsche's words can only be understood as referring not to a particular theological or anthropological view but rather to the end of philosophy itself. Philosophy has, in Heidegger's words, reached its maximum potential as metaphysics and Nietzsche's words warn of its demise and that of any metaphysical world view. If metaphysics is dead, Heidegger warns, that is because from its inception that was its fate.[2]
[edit] New possibilities

Nietzsche believed there could be positive possibilities for humans without God. Relinquishing the belief in God opens the way for human creative abilities to fully develop. The Christian God, he wrote, would no longer stand in the way, so human beings might stop turning their eyes toward a supernatural realm and begin to acknowledge the value of this world.

Nietzsche uses the metaphor of an open sea, which can be both exhilarating and terrifying. The people who eventually learn to create their lives anew will represent a new stage in human existence, the Übermensch — i.e. the personal archetype who, through the conquest of their own nihilism, themselves become a sort of mythical hero. The 'death of God' is the motivation for Nietzsche's last (uncompleted) philosophical project, the 'revaluation of all values'.

Hippie3 · 10-14-09, 18:52

nietzsche is dead.
for real...

August West · 10-14-09, 21:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hippie3

nietzsche is dead.
for real...

not only that,
but if my memory serves,
he was kicked in the head by a horse "he was trying to help"
and spent the last ....years of his life speechless and an invalid.

how's that for - 'the will to power'?

just sayin

btw.
door #6
your avatar cracks me the fuck up...
nice choice

TVCasualty · 10-15-09, 08:06

Nietzsche works great combined with The Family Circus. I'm not sure what the significance of that is, but it makes for an interesting take on Nietzsche.

As for me, I'd say "God is Weird."

door#6 · 10-15-09, 11:34

that family circus is classic. i'm hijaking that and flying it into facebook.... maybe i'll make them signatures on all my emails...

LotRev · 10-15-09, 16:16

Is she holding a fat nugget in the fourth picture?

dead_diver · 10-15-09, 21:22

I am god and reality is nothing more than a very complex dream I am having.

bbd2 · 10-15-09, 21:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by door#6

"God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?"

it is a test
of ones purity of heart
do u want to be god?
come on, the way is open...god is dead
take ur seat on the throne...etc etc ...bs

id caution all who ever seriously wonder about this
to also consider the idea that
god is defined as being beyond life and death
completely transcending whatever small fantasy one may entertain
about being god

for me, belief in god is a useful mental tool
it has calmed many a freakout or overwhelmed moment
its a way of organising thoughts and the world into something that makes some kind of sense

for this reason it is dumb to kill your gods
that is why the christians brought theirs back
the hindus have reincarnation
the buddhists' can be called into being as needed
robust survivability is a good trait in a god
you want a tough god, not a wimpy one
if we can kill him, he wasnt god
by definition

TVCasualty · 10-16-09, 11:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbd2

if we can kill him, he wasnt god
by definition

And so far we have in fact been able to eventually kill them all, as I think we should.

"If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him." -Buddha.
(well, I don't know for sure that Buddha actually said that, but it would've been in character so I'm going with it).

There are at least as many dead gods as there are defunct civilizations, but more importantly:

And if He is Me, I certainly couldn't kill Him because I think He's fun at parties and if I cannot kill him he must be the Real Deal. This cosmology is fully in accord with the Subgenius philosophy of Pulling the Wool Over Your Own Eyes; if this world is an illusion, then at least I want to be the one creating the illusion I have to endure. Reading between the lines, this is about as serious a philosophy as you can get no matter how many jokes or puns it's peppered with although the manifestation of it need not be serious at all.

FNORD

door#6: Try googling "nietzsche family circus" to find the rest. There are a bunch more that someone with way too much time on their hands must've made.

TVCasualty · 10-16-09, 11:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by LotRev

Is she holding a fat nugget in the fourth picture?

According to this thread, I'd answer "yes," at least if you believe it's a fat nugget that she's holding. Like all Sacred teachings, you'll never be able to verify it's veracity for sure so your belief in it's embodiment of fat nuggetness is all that matters. Well, unless you demand direct experience and want to actually take a puff. That's how gods get killed though...

TastyBeverage · 10-16-09, 12:06

Buddhism is not monotheistic. There is no one 'god' as any person has the possibility of eventually reaching enlightenment and therefore essentially becoming 'god'. Those who reach enlightenment are given the honorific Buddha if they ascend, or Bodhisattva if they remain in the material world to assist others on the road to enlightenment. There have been many Buddhas and Bodhisattvas since Siddhartha first reached enlightenment.

Just wanted to clear that up.

TVCasualty · 10-16-09, 12:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by TastyBeverage

Buddhism is not monotheistic. There is no one 'god' as any person has the possibility of eventually reaching enlightenment and therefore essentially becoming 'god'. Those who reach enlightenment are given the honorific Buddha if they ascend, or Bodhisattva if they remain in the material world to assist others on the road to enlightenment. There have been many Buddhas and Bodhisattvas since Siddhartha first reached enlightenment.

Just wanted to clear that up.

Yeah, I would've attributed the quote to Siddhartha specifically but didn't know for sure that he said it. It may just be part of Buddhist lore in general and no one knows who originally said it. The lines start to get blurry when these topics come up; I think of Buddhism as a philosophy and not any kind of a religion at all, though some groups have formed that made their version of it very religion-like.

Maybe a religion is just a philosophy that has stopped evolving; that's why Judaism, Islam, and Christianity are so embattled and contentious these days and Buddhism is mostly still just sitting there quietly, doing nothing as Spring comes and the grass grows green.

Buddhism can accept Chaos Theory and quantum mechanics (for example) whereas Judaism, Christianity or Islam cannot, so if those religions want to endure the next hundred years or so they need to revert back to being philosophies that are able to accept new information. At some point the theological contortionist tricks needed to fit their doctrines around each new awkward scientific discovery get to be too much and they'll end up on the scrap heap of failed cosmologies with all the rest, and the fact that Buddhism doesn't puts it in a separate category IMO.

TastyBeverage · 10-16-09, 12:47

Sorry TV, i should have been more clear that i was responding to this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbd2

for this reason it is dumb to kill your gods
that is why the christians brought theirs back
the hindus have reincarnation
the buddhists' can be called into being as needed

I absolutely agree that Buddhism is a philosophy, not a religion. That is its true and original purpose. Siddhartha preached not to make an icon out of him or anyone else, but unfortunately it is human nature to revere that which we want to replicate in ourselves. My personal philosophy/spirituality is closest probably to Buddhism than anything else, but i can't embrace it fully because i feel that too many sects tend take it in the wrong direction.

bbd2 · 10-16-09, 15:45

its true that buddhism is non-theistic
they neither affirm nor deny divine-level beings
they just deny nonsensical concepts like independently established existence of divinity or anything else for that matter
as long as you understand that they are all bound by cause and effect, you can eff with as many or as few gods as u want

i think its fallacious to point at a group within a certain religious tradition
and say that you dont develop your own spirituality along those lines because of excesses or defects by these groups or their members

spirituality is personal
the practices of others are to a very large extent irrelevant
when it comes to spiritual fulfillment

there is no correct religious approach
there is the religious approach that works for u

LotRev · 10-16-09, 17:18

Let's be honest here...we are the folks who demand direct experience.
Eat this, Drink that, slam that, plug this, and you'll see. We all want to see.

The felt presence of immediate experience. That's a Terence McKenna
line. That's what this god thing is about anyhow. Feeling alive right this
moment. Meditation, drugs, sex, the job that you did all on your own
and turned out a masterpiece - these types of experiences are what we
continually seek day after day. We know they exist, and we will not be
satisfied until we can return to that moment, which always exists, outside
of our own emotional attachment to situations.

God only seems confusing when emotion is attached to a situation.

Life, death, ill, well, honest, liar, light, dark, right side up, inside out -
it's all out there, and it's not going anywhere. In fact, at the same time,
none of it exists and it has no where to go. It's all perception.
We are God in the sense that our perception determines everything,
at all times. We attach our emotion to a situation then turn into a beast
trying to hang onto what we know was right, at least at one time.
But even at the moment that it became right, everything has changed

It's all about staying in the felt presence of immediate experience...
moving and shaking with the motion around you. That's where you'll
find your gods...and there are many of them for you to discover.
All providing different situations for you to attach your emotions to.

BetweenSpace · 10-20-09, 00:26

Wow! This is a tough one. If I'm not mistaking Friedrich Nietzsche was a very famous philosopher I read about. "Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?" It's a question so let's put the two answers into statements (yes or no) We must not become gods simply to appear worthy of it; We must become gods, for whatever reason. I am thinking way too much on this one.. Some people can become gods (by their perception) and appear worthy of it (by their perception) so I can see how Nietzsche's question can reasonably be answered "no."

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10-13-09, 23:18	#1 (permalink)
door#6 one billion served Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 62	what does this do to you? "God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?"

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AGAMA cuban jester Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 229	Sorry, Dude, doesn't do anything at all for me. I think we are all our own gods, each to thier own. What you do with your "holiness" will determine what you get out of life. And how you get it! I walked away from other people's opinion as to what I should believe long ago. I do what works for me, you do the same(either way!). Peace. __________________ it is what it is

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marmy riding the roller coaster Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 836	All I know is this: About 21-22 years ago I was tripping on some cid . I looked at the coke machine and realized what the meaning of life was...... Have a coke and a smile __________________ OK maybe not that old

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SilvrHairDevil Aficionado Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 551	It's pretty hard to lay a guilt trip like that on people who know they are god or who have established their own special relationships with their own god(s). That's probably why there's no Religion Forum. __________________ Fettuccini, linguini, martini, bikini - Vince

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door#6 one billion served Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 62	not trying to make any point in particular not looking for a certain response the words had an effect on me though and i wanted to share cuban jestar, i lived near boqueron port facility once upon a time

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slowmow Mycophiliac Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 18	gods not dead. I just seen him the other day live in concert. He was wearing a loincloth and singing and playing the guitar. Wait........... that was the nuge. You know, Ted Nugent. And just to respond to your question, all that does to me is make me wonder how one would take Ra's vital signs.

10-14-09, 14:47	#8 (permalink)
door#6 one billion served Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 62	the guy who is being quoted is friedrich nietzsche i find it profound and in no way offensive no religion forum? the spiritual is addressed on these forums as much as any topic outside of growing.

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Irishlion KEY MASTER Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,343	well what you don't find offensive someone else might and all it takes if for one person to find that post to be offensive to their religion and it will get taken down. Sorry but, thats the facts, and yes we don't have a religious forum here or usually get into religious discussions due to how they turn out, it never stays civil. __________________ a man without honor isn't a man at all but, a soul trapped in a flesh body that is lost in a void of its own making

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LotRev Technopagan Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,070	I like that quote. I like what it has to say. I even agree with it on certain levels. However, if I am to side with the idea that I killed God, then it seems strange to me that I have no regrets, and I feel that I must trudge forward anyhow, living in the darkness that I brought upon myself. Well, Mr Nietzsche, my solution is to deal with the issues at hand, mostly because I have no other choice. Truth is, mushrooms killed my god, and I'm the one who consumed them, so maybe I did kill god. But I must admit that I do hope to fill the position myself one day. __________________ Wine is fine, but whiskey's quicker - Suicide is slow with liqueur Take a bottle, drown your sorrows - Then it floods away tomorrows

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SilvrHairDevil Aficionado Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 551	"no religion forum? spiritual is addressed on these forums as much as any topic..." The terms "religion" & "spirituality", although they can overlap, are not interchangeable. __________________ Fettuccini, linguini, martini, bikini - Vince

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dial8 fornic8 Join Date: Jun 1976 Posts: 4,070	The man you quote died a depressed/half crazy and lonely soul. He also was one of those that could not get out of his own mind. You know the type. Those that believe it is impossible to prove anything outside of oneself. I've read him, true, it is interesting, but sometimes too much philosophy gets in the way of actual living. __________________ For enlightenment please dial8.

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suckerfree KEY MASTER Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,833	it was required reading when i was in school, i see no harm in discussing philosophy. for those of you who haven't read Nietzsche, this might sum in up a little... Explanation "God is dead" never meant that Nietzsche believed in an actual God who first existed and then died in a literal sense. It may be more appropriate to consider the statement as Nietzsche's way of saying that the "God" of the times (religion and other such spirituality) is no longer a viable source of any received wisdom. Nietzsche recognizes the crisis which the death of God represents for existing moral considerations, because "When one gives up the Christian faith, one pulls the right to Christian morality out from under one's feet. This morality is by no means self-evident... By breaking one main concept out of Christianity, the faith in God, one breaks the whole: nothing necessary remains in one's hands."[1] This is why in "The Madman", a work which primarily addresses atheists, the problem is to retain any system of values in the absence of a divine order. The death of God is a way of saying that humans are no longer able to believe in any such cosmic order since they themselves no longer recognize it. The death of God will lead, Nietzsche says, not only to the rejection of a belief of cosmic or physical order but also to a rejection of absolute values themselves — to the rejection of belief in an objective and universal moral law, binding upon all individuals. In this manner, the loss of an absolute basis for morality leads to nihilism. This nihilism is what Nietzsche worked to find a solution for by re-evaluating the foundations of human values. This meant, to Nietzsche, looking for foundations that went deeper than Christian values. He would find a basis in the "will to power" that he described as "the essence of reality." Nietzsche believed that the majority of people did not recognize this death out of the deepest-seated fear or angst. Therefore, when the death did begin to become widely acknowledged, people would despair and nihilism would become rampant. This is partly why Nietzsche saw Christianity as nihilistic. He may have seen himself as a historical figure like Zarathustra, Socrates or Jesus, giving a new philosophical orientation to future generations to overcome the impending nihilism. [edit] Nietzsche and Heidegger Martin Heidegger understood this part of Nietzsche's philosophy by looking at it as death of metaphysics. In his view, Nietzsche's words can only be understood as referring not to a particular theological or anthropological view but rather to the end of philosophy itself. Philosophy has, in Heidegger's words, reached its maximum potential as metaphysics and Nietzsche's words warn of its demise and that of any metaphysical world view. If metaphysics is dead, Heidegger warns, that is because from its inception that was its fate.[2] [edit] New possibilities Nietzsche believed there could be positive possibilities for humans without God. Relinquishing the belief in God opens the way for human creative abilities to fully develop. The Christian God, he wrote, would no longer stand in the way, so human beings might stop turning their eyes toward a supernatural realm and begin to acknowledge the value of this world. Nietzsche uses the metaphor of an open sea, which can be both exhilarating and terrifying. The people who eventually learn to create their lives anew will represent a new stage in human existence, the Übermensch — i.e. the personal archetype who, through the conquest of their own nihilism, themselves become a sort of mythical hero. The 'death of God' is the motivation for Nietzsche's last (uncompleted) philosophical project, the 'revaluation of all values'. __________________

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Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 43,266	nietzsche is dead. for real... __________________ visit dial-a-hippie .

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TVCasualty Embrace Your Damage Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,798	Nietzsche works great combined with The Family Circus. I'm not sure what the significance of that is, but it makes for an interesting take on Nietzsche. As for me, I'd say "God is Weird." Attached Thumbnails __________________ First they ignore you; then they mock you; then they punish you; then you win. -Gandhi

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door#6 one billion served Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 62	that family circus is classic. i'm hijaking that and flying it into facebook.... maybe i'll make them signatures on all my emails...

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LotRev Technopagan Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,070	Is she holding a fat nugget in the fourth picture? __________________ Wine is fine, but whiskey's quicker - Suicide is slow with liqueur Take a bottle, drown your sorrows - Then it floods away tomorrows

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dead_diver Mycotopiate Join Date: Mar 1972 Posts: 1,171	I am god and reality is nothing more than a very complex dream I am having. __________________ Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety- Benjamin Franklin

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TastyBeverage thirsty for more Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,482	Buddhism is not monotheistic. There is no one 'god' as any person has the possibility of eventually reaching enlightenment and therefore essentially becoming 'god'. Those who reach enlightenment are given the honorific Buddha if they ascend, or Bodhisattva if they remain in the material world to assist others on the road to enlightenment. There have been many Buddhas and Bodhisattvas since Siddhartha first reached enlightenment. Just wanted to clear that up. __________________ Why do little blue men hit me with fish?

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bbd2 Mycotopiate Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 508	its true that buddhism is non-theistic they neither affirm nor deny divine-level beings they just deny nonsensical concepts like independently established existence of divinity or anything else for that matter as long as you understand that they are all bound by cause and effect, you can eff with as many or as few gods as u want i think its fallacious to point at a group within a certain religious tradition and say that you dont develop your own spirituality along those lines because of excesses or defects by these groups or their members spirituality is personal the practices of others are to a very large extent irrelevant when it comes to spiritual fulfillment there is no correct religious approach there is the religious approach that works for u

10-16-09, 17:18	#27 (permalink)
LotRev Technopagan Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,070	Let's be honest here...we are the folks who demand direct experience. Eat this, Drink that, slam that, plug this, and you'll see. We all want to see. The felt presence of immediate experience. That's a Terence McKenna line. That's what this god thing is about anyhow. Feeling alive right this moment. Meditation, drugs, sex, the job that you did all on your own and turned out a masterpiece - these types of experiences are what we continually seek day after day. We know they exist, and we will not be satisfied until we can return to that moment, which always exists, outside of our own emotional attachment to situations. God only seems confusing when emotion is attached to a situation. Life, death, ill, well, honest, liar, light, dark, right side up, inside out - it's all out there, and it's not going anywhere. In fact, at the same time, none of it exists and it has no where to go. It's all perception. We are God in the sense that our perception determines everything, at all times. We attach our emotion to a situation then turn into a beast trying to hang onto what we know was right, at least at one time. But even at the moment that it became right, everything has changed It's all about staying in the felt presence of immediate experience... moving and shaking with the motion around you. That's where you'll find your gods...and there are many of them for you to discover. All providing different situations for you to attach your emotions to. __________________ Wine is fine, but whiskey's quicker - Suicide is slow with liqueur Take a bottle, drown your sorrows - Then it floods away tomorrows

10-20-09, 00:26	#28 (permalink)
BetweenSpace Mycophiliac Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 20	Wow! This is a tough one. If I'm not mistaking Friedrich Nietzsche was a very famous philosopher I read about. "Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?" It's a question so let's put the two answers into statements (yes or no) We must not become gods simply to appear worthy of it; We must become gods, for whatever reason. I am thinking way too much on this one.. Some people can become gods (by their perception) and appear worthy of it (by their perception) so I can see how Nietzsche's question can reasonably be answered "no."

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