future seeing through mushies?

marmy · 10-15-09, 09:34

anyone see their future or possible futures through a mushie experience?

wildburr · 10-15-09, 09:42

Maybe in dreams after a trip but I usually am too caught up in the now during a trip.

whatchamacallit · 10-15-09, 10:34

I've read that Paul Stamets believes that he had such and experience..

koldjgdaro · 11-01-09, 18:53

Seen what I believe was my previous life on Ayahuasca and seen what may be my future life on mushies. Does it count?

You know - life is just a self-fulfilling prophecy

potatocore · 11-01-09, 19:25

Quote:

You know - life is just a self-fulfilling prophecy

I ate a half o (13g to be exact) of some GT and saw, among so many things, a possible future outcome that scared the shit outta me. And now it's my reality. I think it was the mush demanding more respect than I was giving it. I won't repeat the same mistake, that's for sure...

marmy · 11-01-09, 19:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by potatocore

I ate a half o (13g to be exact) of some GT and saw, among so many things, a possible future outcome that scared the shit outta me. And now it's my reality. I think it was the mush demanding more respect than I was giving it. I won't repeat the same mistake, that's for sure...

Would you mind giving some details?

koldjgdaro · 11-01-09, 20:09

Let me tell you that psychedelics can drag ppl out from their addictions, harmfull behaviours etc. by scaring the shit out of them.

So if you see and experience your misery and suffering as if you were there, but not really being there and making that mistake, you may turn back.

Moreover a new vision full of hope may arise.

That's what he is probably refering to.

Aislyn Wendell · 11-01-09, 22:08

Interesting question, I can't wait to read more responses!

Once I saw a non-specific future once on mushrooms, and it is such a strong visual that I can still picture it clearly four years later. This vision came right before I started bawling in the fetal position on the floor...

I looked at my arms and saw the floor beneath me begin to decay and disintegrate. Then, the flesh on my arms disappeared and I could see my bones, and they, like the floor, became brittle and crumbled to dust.

The vision itself wasn't unsettling, it was the thought process that came after that sent me into despair. After crying and praying, Shroom_seeker (he was with me on this intense ride!) and I called a friend who was also a Christian minister at the time, and he came, Bible in hand, to try and help us through the difficult trip. He explained my vision as a life one has without God. Those without Him in their lives are just walking skeletons. At the time, that explanation did not sit well with me (and still doesn't), and actually made me feel worse. I wasn't Christian at the time, but this experience sealed the deal. For me, God wasn't in a book, he was kicking my ass in my mind in the form of mushrooms. What an amazing power.

Today, I think of it as a reminder of how temporary we are, and how things are and will always change. For me, and I think Shroom_seeker, this is when tripping shifted from recreational (not that there's anything wrong with it!!) to something more meaningful and spiritual. I found the power and gift that is a "mind dump".

potatocore · 11-01-09, 22:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by koldjgdaro

Let me tell you that psychedelics can drag ppl out from their addictions, harmfull behaviours etc. by scaring the shit out of them.
So if you see and experience your misery and suffering as if you were there, but not really being there and making that mistake, you may turn back.
Moreover a new vision full of hope may arise.
That's what he is probably refering to.

agreed and yes but no lol. while tripping i was experiencing first my past then and enhanced third-person perspective of my present and finally a first-person view of the future me (an old dying man) thinking back on what would now be my near future. i saw a turn of events in my life that i hadnt ever previously considered... and the outcome of those decisions. upon realizing that this what was in store for me, everything started being disintegrated by an intense white light. the light destroyed everything temporal and material and all that was left was my spiritual reality. for maybe 20-30 minutes (it felt like a thousand years though) i was left alone within the light that destroyed me and everything else... it was horrible. i was the light, at least a part of it, but everything was made/sustained by that same light. weird, i know. on the comedown, i was very afraid and reflected back on the phase of being the future me. now, a year later, i understand what it is but its too late. i would like to go into more detail but i cant. lets just say it involves the consequences of half-thought and a desire to live outside my means. the idea came to me from the mushroom but it also informed me of how it would end and i tried to outsmart it. never try to outsmart the shroom.

this was one of the most meaningful experiences of my life, even now a year later. unfortunately, im a slow learner...

mate0x · 11-02-09, 02:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by koldjgdaro

Let me tell you that psychedelics can drag ppl out from their addictions, harmfull behaviours etc. by scaring the shit out of them.

So if you see and experience your misery and suffering as if you were there, but not really being there and making that mistake, you may turn back.

Moreover a new vision full of hope may arise.

That's what he is probably refering to.

I've had this experience, it was remarkable and changed my life for the better in numerous ways, terrifying as it was... Walking a mile in your own shoes that is.

The night still ended great, 30-40 minutes next to my girlfriend (also tripping) healed all...life has been a happier place since.

It's nothing I would quantify as visions of the future though, just some hard ego loss....something I have seeked since...always have an amazingly glowy next day....not something you want happening all the time though.

marmy · 11-02-09, 10:06

The reason I ask is this: When I was younger, I had dream visions that on occasion came true. Perhaps not to the exact detail, but the place, the people, etc. Always confusing at the time but clearer of course when the event happened.

Of course it could have all been dejavu where my brain was just lagging behind the events and I thought I remembered a dream. And Usually the dreaming of the future seemed herb related. You know, when your brain is still fuzzy but you are no longer high.

Now I have experienced psychadelics for 25 years. Now that statement is very misleading, because until last year I had not had a trip for about 14 years. (the right people were not the ones i wanted to hang with, different place in my life etc). I have never had more than one hit and very low doses of mushies. .

But, my mind, in regards to the thought processes, expanded greatly.

I have read that a few experienced sessioners just let the mushies take them where ever they go, buckle down for the experience etc.

While I know anything is possible, I have specific events I want to see potential outcomes for. For lack of a better example somewhat chistmas carrol esque.

I know, it is of the opinion that the mushies will take you where you need to be, whether you agree with them or not. Can you go where you want to go though?

And if I decide to "go" and see what there is to "see", will an extract take me there, or will I need freshies or fresh dried? thinking of a nice everclear cold extract.

stonedcoder · 11-02-09, 12:59

i'll post my answer to the question - then go back and read the thread

From my own exp:
... here is what I think "seeing your future" is - it's kind-of-like seeing a version of your future - i get sort of ...if you keep doing "A" activity here is what your life will look like ...insert vision. now i don't think this is seeing into the future - it's more like a preview of how things may be if things don't change. Like givin keeping up or stopping activities / behaviors i'm exhibiting today ... not sure it that makes any sense to any1 but me ...

...basically a cause and effect relationship - but much deeper and vivid than the usual deductive reasoning.

take care

stonedcoder · 11-02-09, 13:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by koldjgdaro

Let me tell you that psychedelics can drag ppl out from their addictions, harmfull behaviours etc. by scaring the shit out of them.
So if you see and experience your misery and suffering as if you were there, but not really being there and making that mistake, you may turn back.
Moreover a new vision full of hope may arise.
That's what he is probably refering to.

This is GREAT - this is what i was trying to explain in my feeble attempt at a post. but i wan't nescesarity refering to addictions ...can be anything in your life... ya sort of get to see how it plays out if you don't change your behavior... i saw a fast forward of my daughter at age 20 that woke me up... don't know what to make of that one other than maybe just getting my system prepared for having a daughter of that age ...the mushies are a teacher fer sure!

Quote:

Originally Posted by potatocore

... while tripping i was experiencing first my past then and enhanced third-person perspective of my present and finally a first-person view of the future me (an old dying man) ....

I wonder if Charles Dickens ever did shrooms.

hemifshr · 11-02-09, 13:10

Just see in?

designlogic · 11-02-09, 17:02

In my experience it appears as though mushrooms seem to intensify
what is on your mind. Thoughts, ideas, emotions, fears and questions that
are underlying within the mind seem to become amplified. I think you could
potentially look into your future by examining your life at the moment. For
example analyzing the choices you are making, the way you think, the
way you feel, how you treat yourself and other people, your habits, your
goals and the steps you are taking towards those goals, etc. I have found
that new perspectives can be presented through such deep analysis during
an experience, might be a possibility to help guide your thoughts and the
direction of the experience. I'm sure you have heard it before, set and
setting. Your mind set and the setting in which you are, happens to be
very important, especially if your trying to go in a certain direction.

stonedcoder · 11-02-09, 19:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by designlogic

In my experience it appears as though mushrooms seem to intensify
what is on your mind. Thoughts, ideas, emotions, fears and questions that
are underlying within the mind seem to become amplified. I think you could
potentially look into your future by examining your life at the moment. For
example analyzing the choices you are making, the way you think, the
way you feel, how you treat yourself and other people, your habits, your
goals and the steps you are taking towards those goals, etc. I have found
that new perspectives can be presented through such deep analysis during
an experience, might be a possibility to help guide your thoughts and the
direction of the experience. I'm sure you have heard it before, set and
setting. Your mind set and the setting in which you are, happens to be
very important, especially if your trying to go in a certain direction.

great description design - maybe the reasons you highlight is why mushies have such success in treating addiction... but like the thread that was talking about parasitic controls - is this the mushroom at the reins steering us away from destructive behavior that would also present as destructive behavior for the mushroom as well ?? hummmm interesting

koldjgdaro · 11-02-09, 20:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by hemifshr

Just see in?

Just see in?
Imagine 30 years wasted on heroin addiction, hookers, in rehabs and a failed love and suicide in the end.
This is pure misery. For about 30 years.
Now squeeze it in to a 2 hours trance on ayahuasca.

I won't end that way again for sure.
That was a life changing experience.

And all that you are saying designlogic, I just call a self-fulfilling prophecy. It is our subconscious mind that sets the direction while our conscious egos just drive the vehicle. Therefore if you change your deeper layers of mind taking a different course you are choosing a new path of realization. Psychedelics among other powerful, spiritual techniques give us the power to drive our unconscious and set sails in a new direction - giving us a chance to fulfill a new prophecy guided by the wisdom we have gained.

I mean - you probably won't see future directly. Never - no matter if you take drugs or you are blessed. It's kind of like guessing. Some ppl are better at it while others aren't that fortunate.

It's simply The Power of Your Subconscious Mind (1962) - Joseph Murphy

bbd2 · 11-02-09, 21:09

yeah, interesting question,
as i thought about this, i realized that for me, its not visions of the future but rather a lack of vision

i can usually imagine the future, see myself in places, doing things etc.
some of these come true, some dont, depends on planning and effort etc.
but certain "places" or ages are blank, i have no idea what happens after that time, my mind kinda just has no handle for time beyond that, almost as if i die or something at that time

ive had several of these kinds of things, beginning from before i started using psychedelics

anyways, what ive found is that these blank areas correspond to major changes in my life
things that i literally could not have imagined because i had no prior experiences that were anything like what happened when that time came

Oblivion · 11-03-09, 08:05

Until proven impossible, anything should be considered possible. For me, I have seen my possible future on shrooms. I changed my behavior and altered my future. No way to prove (to anyone else) that what I saw would have happened though. In my heart I know the truth.

koldjgdaro · 11-03-09, 11:15

Beautifuly said, man.

copelandiaKidd · 11-03-09, 13:49

i believe its possible with some of the things I have seen. I definitely believe, if i can see around corners and through walls on high doses, I could see the future

Beastmaster · 11-03-09, 17:30

This brings up alot of questions in my head. If I can see the future, which future is it? Is there only one? or are there many? How do I know that's actually an experience that I'm going to have? If it looks unpleasant, can I do something to prevent it or am I doomed to experience this?

Where do these messages/visions come from? Insanity? God? Aliens? Next door neighbor? The funny object (What is this?) I picked up in the forest?

Problems I've run into, first and foremost: Remembering what you saw when the time comes where the vision comes around as a present reality. A better way to put it is that I've had visions of the future that is 5 minutes from now, and I've had visions of the future that is 5 years from now. Remembering what you saw when you saw it 5 minutes ago is one thing, but remembering a 'vision' that you had 5 years ago? Difficult I tell you, and even more difficult is remembering what you were planning on doing instead, thus doomed to 'repeat' what hadn't happened yet, what didn't have to happen, perhaps what you didn't want to happen even. This is not something I have perfected yet, and its difficult to operate within a system when you have so many questions about its working parts. Taking apart a rolex doesn't help you tell the time so perhaps when you're in the midst of a vision isn't the best time to lift up the curtain around the base of the phantasm, so to speak.

I've had plenty of events come and go and I'm pretty sure I've basically done everything just how I didn't want to do it. Partly is because I was struggling with the morality of changing the future. Is this a gift from God, or am I cheating somehow? Or am I somehow I creating my reality? My apparent inability to do anything other than what I saw makes me wonder if I created those moments, rather than saw them? If that's the case then making sure to rid oneself of self deceptive thoughts like low self esteem, etc are important, or your mindset can taint the scene you are creating. They seemed pretty spontaneous when they happened, and I often didn't realize that a 'test window' had passed. Some of these have been less pleasant than others. I'm still not sure if I created them or if they were random events that I just wish I'd have been better prepared for. Feels a lot like being in a play where someone read me my parts in the script a few years ago and I haven't seen it or them since, but I know I'm supposed to do something, just not sure what. Generally I'm in the middle of wondering about just that when I realize I'm in the middle of doing the exact thing I was not wanting to do.

Is the future that is visible a cohesive picture, or is it dependent on variables based on choice of willful individuals? If, by making a choice, I create an alternate reality, parallel to the one where I made a different choice - we end up with a fuzzball of possible futures. Its all pretty random til you have a vision of one of those futures and begin making choices that orient you in that direction, kinda like a ball in a pachinco machine.

Having a cooperative team of individuals to operate the hidden camera, boom mic, recording equipment, and especially take notes and guide the reception of the visions is important, as well as a few replacements on hand if conflicts arise.

Some related threads:

http://forums.mycotopia.net/polls/51...e-destiny.html (Do you believe in Destiny?)

http://forums.mycotopia.net/polls/40276-dejavu.html (Dejavu)

sagiboy · 11-03-09, 17:55

hard subject.
the god inside you is just one of infinite "gods faces".

sometimes during tripping you "computer" log in to the "internet".
in regular consciousness youre running your "windows",
but when tripping sometimes you slip to the "binary" 0/1, or to other "pc"
(not the "windows" just the pc (no one can get into your head))

its all about how ready you are. and set and settings.

by physics there no diifrence between past and future, and the fact we dont remember the future is due to thermodynamics, the time arrow that points to the future.

you cant beat the law of the universe but you can bend them.

damn im lost... hmmm... back to the point.

i have no fucking idea.

where is the line between "truth" and "hallucination" i dont know,
i guess it doesnt matter as long as your on the way to be a better man.

what i know about life is that
When the student is ready, the teacher will appear

and you cant swallow more than you chew.

my 2/5 nickel.

Beastmaster · 11-03-09, 18:01

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Originally Posted by sagiboy

damn im lost... hmmm... back to the point.

i have no fucking idea.

stonedcoder · 11-03-09, 19:32

Alright if we're going to get into a discussion about the qualities of time - i gotta go get my Ice Cap ...cause my 3lbs of grey soup will start to smoke...

Oblivion · 11-04-09, 09:10

We learn nothing. We simply remember what we've always known.

cocoa krispy cakes · 11-06-09, 14:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by marmy

anyone see their future or possible futures through a mushie experience?

yes, possible futures.

marmy · 11-06-09, 15:22

OK, It seems that it may be quite possible to "see" possible future scenarios. Of course I realize the end result could be fantasy.

Will a honey or everclear extract be strong enough, or will one need unprocessed mushies? Would fresh be better than dry if that is the case?

koldjgdaro · 11-09-09, 10:19

No difference to me. Only set & setting. Take while you're down and miserable

MooNChilD · 11-09-09, 23:55

I herd that taking while down you might have a bad trip but I dono I've always had a pretty good trips ! Fresh is good but I think what ever you have is best It's better than none !

Beastmaster · 11-10-09, 01:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by marmy

Will a honey or Everclear extract be strong enough, or will one need unprocessed mushies? Would fresh be better than dry if that is the case?

In my humble opinion and experience, there's more to it than just dosing or dosage.

Quote:

Originally Posted by marmy

It seems that it may be quite possible to "see" possible future scenarios. Of course I realize the end result could be fantasy.

If you are 'seeing' a 'possible' future scenario, its not fantasy, unless you're fantasizing that you're 'seeing'.

This is more like being good at patting your head while rubbing your belly or not. Some people have the right neurology for it, others don't, some can learn it and develop it, others are just mystified by it and say its impossible...

stonedcoder · 11-10-09, 01:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmaster

others are just mystified by it and say its impossible...

...isn't that true of a lot of things today and in the recent and distant past

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10-15-09, 09:34	#1 (permalink)
marmy riding the roller coaster Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 838	future seeing through mushies? anyone see their future or possible futures through a mushie experience? __________________ OK maybe not that old

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wildburr Midnight Toker Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,731	Maybe in dreams after a trip but I usually am too caught up in the now during a trip. __________________ Silence is Golden, but Duct tape is Silver.

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whatchamacallit Deadhead Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,170	I've read that Paul Stamets believes that he had such and experience.. __________________ I'm addicted to placebos, I could quit but it wouldn't matter.. http://deadvids.com/dv3 24/7 Dead Videos with a chatroom!

11-01-09, 18:53	#4 (permalink)
koldjgdaro Psychonaut Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 747	Seen what I believe was my previous life on Ayahuasca and seen what may be my future life on mushies. Does it count? You know - life is just a self-fulfilling prophecy __________________ To fathom Hell or soar angelic, just take a pinch of psychedelic

11-01-09, 20:09	#7 (permalink)
koldjgdaro Psychonaut Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 747	Let me tell you that psychedelics can drag ppl out from their addictions, harmfull behaviours etc. by scaring the shit out of them. So if you see and experience your misery and suffering as if you were there, but not really being there and making that mistake, you may turn back. Moreover a new vision full of hope may arise. That's what he is probably refering to. __________________ To fathom Hell or soar angelic, just take a pinch of psychedelic

11-01-09, 22:08	#8 (permalink)
Aislyn Wendell Dream Tripper Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 150	Interesting question, I can't wait to read more responses! Once I saw a non-specific future once on mushrooms, and it is such a strong visual that I can still picture it clearly four years later. This vision came right before I started bawling in the fetal position on the floor... I looked at my arms and saw the floor beneath me begin to decay and disintegrate. Then, the flesh on my arms disappeared and I could see my bones, and they, like the floor, became brittle and crumbled to dust. The vision itself wasn't unsettling, it was the thought process that came after that sent me into despair. After crying and praying, Shroom_seeker (he was with me on this intense ride!) and I called a friend who was also a Christian minister at the time, and he came, Bible in hand, to try and help us through the difficult trip. He explained my vision as a life one has without God. Those without Him in their lives are just walking skeletons. At the time, that explanation did not sit well with me (and still doesn't), and actually made me feel worse. I wasn't Christian at the time, but this experience sealed the deal. For me, God wasn't in a book, he was kicking my ass in my mind in the form of mushrooms. What an amazing power. Today, I think of it as a reminder of how temporary we are, and how things are and will always change. For me, and I think Shroom_seeker, this is when tripping shifted from recreational (not that there's anything wrong with it!!) to something more meaningful and spiritual. I found the power and gift that is a "mind dump". Last edited by Aislyn Wendell; 11-01-09 at 22:09. Reason: Spaces for ease of reading.

11-02-09, 10:06	#11 (permalink)
marmy riding the roller coaster Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 838	The reason I ask is this: When I was younger, I had dream visions that on occasion came true. Perhaps not to the exact detail, but the place, the people, etc. Always confusing at the time but clearer of course when the event happened. Of course it could have all been dejavu where my brain was just lagging behind the events and I thought I remembered a dream. And Usually the dreaming of the future seemed herb related. You know, when your brain is still fuzzy but you are no longer high. Now I have experienced psychadelics for 25 years. Now that statement is very misleading, because until last year I had not had a trip for about 14 years. (the right people were not the ones i wanted to hang with, different place in my life etc). I have never had more than one hit and very low doses of mushies. . But, my mind, in regards to the thought processes, expanded greatly. I have read that a few experienced sessioners just let the mushies take them where ever they go, buckle down for the experience etc. While I know anything is possible, I have specific events I want to see potential outcomes for. For lack of a better example somewhat chistmas carrol esque. I know, it is of the opinion that the mushies will take you where you need to be, whether you agree with them or not. Can you go where you want to go though? And if I decide to "go" and see what there is to "see", will an extract take me there, or will I need freshies or fresh dried? thinking of a nice everclear cold extract. __________________ OK maybe not that old

11-02-09, 12:59	#12 (permalink)
stonedcoder table for 2 @ RATEOTU Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 406	i'll post my answer to the question - then go back and read the thread From my own exp: ... here is what I think "seeing your future" is - it's kind-of-like seeing a version of your future - i get sort of ...if you keep doing "A" activity here is what your life will look like ...insert vision. now i don't think this is seeing into the future - it's more like a preview of how things may be if things don't change. Like givin keeping up or stopping activities / behaviors i'm exhibiting today ... not sure it that makes any sense to any1 but me ... ...basically a cause and effect relationship - but much deeper and vivid than the usual deductive reasoning. take care __________________ This is my signature ...insignificant and dark, just like me

11-02-09, 13:10	#14 (permalink)
hemifshr hemifshr Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 12	the hemi Just see in?

11-02-09, 17:02	#15 (permalink)
designlogic Researcher Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 267	In my experience it appears as though mushrooms seem to intensify what is on your mind. Thoughts, ideas, emotions, fears and questions that are underlying within the mind seem to become amplified. I think you could potentially look into your future by examining your life at the moment. For example analyzing the choices you are making, the way you think, the way you feel, how you treat yourself and other people, your habits, your goals and the steps you are taking towards those goals, etc. I have found that new perspectives can be presented through such deep analysis during an experience, might be a possibility to help guide your thoughts and the direction of the experience. I'm sure you have heard it before, set and setting. Your mind set and the setting in which you are, happens to be very important, especially if your trying to go in a certain direction.

11-02-09, 21:09	#18 (permalink)
bbd2 Mycotopiate Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 512	yeah, interesting question, as i thought about this, i realized that for me, its not visions of the future but rather a lack of vision i can usually imagine the future, see myself in places, doing things etc. some of these come true, some dont, depends on planning and effort etc. but certain "places" or ages are blank, i have no idea what happens after that time, my mind kinda just has no handle for time beyond that, almost as if i die or something at that time ive had several of these kinds of things, beginning from before i started using psychedelics anyways, what ive found is that these blank areas correspond to major changes in my life things that i literally could not have imagined because i had no prior experiences that were anything like what happened when that time came

11-03-09, 08:05	#19 (permalink)
Oblivion Join me there Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,622	Until proven impossible, anything should be considered possible. For me, I have seen my possible future on shrooms. I changed my behavior and altered my future. No way to prove (to anyone else) that what I saw would have happened though. In my heart I know the truth. __________________ Delivery from ignorance is bliss.

11-03-09, 11:15	#20 (permalink)
koldjgdaro Psychonaut Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 747	Beautifuly said, man. __________________ To fathom Hell or soar angelic, just take a pinch of psychedelic

11-03-09, 13:49	#21 (permalink)
copelandiaKidd Void Of Boundaries Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 578	i believe its possible with some of the things I have seen. I definitely believe, if i can see around corners and through walls on high doses, I could see the future __________________ "LEARN THE RULES SO YOU CAN BREAK THEM PROPERLY" -The Dali lama "i don't care if it eats my cat, as long as the damn thing fruits"~ prism

11-03-09, 17:30	#22 (permalink)
Beastmaster Weremod Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,622	This brings up alot of questions in my head. If I can see the future, which future is it? Is there only one? or are there many? How do I know that's actually an experience that I'm going to have? If it looks unpleasant, can I do something to prevent it or am I doomed to experience this? Where do these messages/visions come from? Insanity? God? Aliens? Next door neighbor? The funny object (What is this?) I picked up in the forest? Problems I've run into, first and foremost: Remembering what you saw when the time comes where the vision comes around as a present reality. A better way to put it is that I've had visions of the future that is 5 minutes from now, and I've had visions of the future that is 5 years from now. Remembering what you saw when you saw it 5 minutes ago is one thing, but remembering a 'vision' that you had 5 years ago? Difficult I tell you, and even more difficult is remembering what you were planning on doing instead, thus doomed to 'repeat' what hadn't happened yet, what didn't have to happen, perhaps what you didn't want to happen even. This is not something I have perfected yet, and its difficult to operate within a system when you have so many questions about its working parts. Taking apart a rolex doesn't help you tell the time so perhaps when you're in the midst of a vision isn't the best time to lift up the curtain around the base of the phantasm, so to speak. I've had plenty of events come and go and I'm pretty sure I've basically done everything just how I didn't want to do it. Partly is because I was struggling with the morality of changing the future. Is this a gift from God, or am I cheating somehow? Or am I somehow I creating my reality? My apparent inability to do anything other than what I saw makes me wonder if I created those moments, rather than saw them? If that's the case then making sure to rid oneself of self deceptive thoughts like low self esteem, etc are important, or your mindset can taint the scene you are creating. They seemed pretty spontaneous when they happened, and I often didn't realize that a 'test window' had passed. Some of these have been less pleasant than others. I'm still not sure if I created them or if they were random events that I just wish I'd have been better prepared for. Feels a lot like being in a play where someone read me my parts in the script a few years ago and I haven't seen it or them since, but I know I'm supposed to do something, just not sure what. Generally I'm in the middle of wondering about just that when I realize I'm in the middle of doing the exact thing I was not wanting to do. Is the future that is visible a cohesive picture, or is it dependent on variables based on choice of willful individuals? If, by making a choice, I create an alternate reality, parallel to the one where I made a different choice - we end up with a fuzzball of possible futures. Its all pretty random til you have a vision of one of those futures and begin making choices that orient you in that direction, kinda like a ball in a pachinco machine. Having a cooperative team of individuals to operate the hidden camera, boom mic, recording equipment, and especially take notes and guide the reception of the visions is important, as well as a few replacements on hand if conflicts arise. Some related threads: http://forums.mycotopia.net/polls/51...e-destiny.html (Do you believe in Destiny?) http://forums.mycotopia.net/polls/40276-dejavu.html (Dejavu) __________________ "Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available." -Gregory Benford

11-03-09, 17:55	#23 (permalink)
sagiboy -= Magic Passion =- Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 791	hard subject. the god inside you is just one of infinite "gods faces". sometimes during tripping you "computer" log in to the "internet". in regular consciousness youre running your "windows", but when tripping sometimes you slip to the "binary" 0/1, or to other "pc" (not the "windows" just the pc (no one can get into your head)) its all about how ready you are. and set and settings. by physics there no diifrence between past and future, and the fact we dont remember the future is due to thermodynamics, the time arrow that points to the future. you cant beat the law of the universe but you can bend them. damn im lost... hmmm... back to the point. i have no fucking idea. where is the line between "truth" and "hallucination" i dont know, i guess it doesnt matter as long as your on the way to be a better man. what i know about life is that When the student is ready, the teacher will appear and you cant swallow more than you chew. my 2/5 nickel. __________________ "when you don`t know where you going any road will take you there..."

11-03-09, 19:32	#25 (permalink)
stonedcoder table for 2 @ RATEOTU Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 406	Alright if we're going to get into a discussion about the qualities of time - i gotta go get my Ice Cap ...cause my 3lbs of grey soup will start to smoke... __________________ This is my signature ...insignificant and dark, just like me

11-04-09, 09:10	#26 (permalink)
Oblivion Join me there Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,622	We learn nothing. We simply remember what we've always known. __________________ Delivery from ignorance is bliss.

11-06-09, 15:22	#28 (permalink)
marmy riding the roller coaster Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 838	OK, It seems that it may be quite possible to "see" possible future scenarios. Of course I realize the end result could be fantasy. Will a honey or everclear extract be strong enough, or will one need unprocessed mushies? Would fresh be better than dry if that is the case? __________________ OK maybe not that old

11-09-09, 10:19	#29 (permalink)
koldjgdaro Psychonaut Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 747	No difference to me. Only set & setting. Take while you're down and miserable __________________ To fathom Hell or soar angelic, just take a pinch of psychedelic

11-09-09, 23:55	#30 (permalink)
MooNChilD Mycophiliac Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 54	I herd that taking while down you might have a bad trip but I dono I've always had a pretty good trips ! Fresh is good but I think what ever you have is best It's better than none ! __________________ SEEK AND YE SHAL FIND MAYBE IF YOU DON'T have too be WIZE!!!!!!!!!!!!

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