do you believe in aliens? - Page 2

Ras Asad · 10-20-09, 01:12

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some undoubtedly have been misidentified clouds and aircraft,
some have been falling space debris or astronomical events.
and some have been out-right frauds, fabrications.

forgetting one?

that
some have been (undoubtedly)
exactly what they appear to be.
spacecraft.

it'll be alright
dont be scuurrred. lol

wildburr · 10-20-09, 01:26

I firmly believe that we are not alone in this vast universe. As far as we can tell the universe is only 13 billion years old give or take a few. As big and endless as it seems there has to be other systems that could harbor life, behind or ahead of us evolutionary wise. But because it is so vast its hard to believe they could ever make it here to visit our lonely corner of the universe, unless they have evolved way beyond our capabilities. And how did we get found when we cant find any ourselves?

Irishlion · 10-20-09, 01:58

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Originally Posted by wildburr

I firmly believe that we are not alone in this vast universe. As far as we can tell the universe is only 13 billion years old give or take a few. As big and endless as it seems there has to be other systems that could harbor life, behind or ahead of us evolutionary wise. But because it is so vast its hard to believe they could ever make it here to visit our lonely corner of the universe, unless they have evolved way beyond our capabilities. And how did we get found when we cant find any ourselves?

Unless we were created

zodd · 10-20-09, 04:27

the desert would seem to be inhospitable to life as most of us who are scientifically challenged would see it, yet some creatures adapt ingenious coping strategies that mean they thrive. Maybe we live in the stark empty desert like side of the galaxy and just out of sight to be seen in the near future there is a paradise somewhere over the horizon. Filled with utopian life forms that don’t need to destroy each other to get by. I believe aliens and unforeseen phenomena means we should think outside our statistical and empirical understanding of the universe the world is vastly misunderstood, and as science is still in its infancy like the human race I think science should be more open minded in taking its influence from the delusional and the dreamer as that is where most science originates. not pointing any thingers

beautypath · 10-20-09, 05:26

Enrico Fermi one of the physicists at Los Alamos in the 1940s asked the question at the dinner table one night of his fellow physicists, ' If there are aliens out there then why haven't we seen them?'

Given the number of planets that could have similar conditions to earth, there should be life out there. If so, many of them must be much older than life on earth and should have advanced races which should have been here. That is not the case, unless you prefer to grasp at straws and claim crop circles, Incan ruins, etc. are proof.

I believe there is life out there given the history of the uniqueness hypothesis. This is the hypothesis that most of mankind has believed in and always turns out to be false. For example: The earth is the center of the universe, then our solar system is the center of the uiniverse, then our galaxy is the center. We are probably not unique either.

TVCasualty is probably right in that nothing physical can exceed the speed of light, so that makes interstellar travel impossible, which is what Fermi was getting at. They are not going to show up in spaceships because the time and energy requirements prohibit it. TV is also on to the only way these aliens could show up, by some sort of astral travel. That could be some sort of quantum entanglement or other physics that we have no clue about.

Maybe the aliens really are in the psychedelics. Inserting a program into the molecules of a psychedelic that would allow a type of astral travel is not that far out. We are now starting to design drugs that have specific effects.

TVCasualty · 10-20-09, 07:57

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Originally Posted by beautypath

TV is also on to the only way these aliens could show up, by some sort of astral travel. That could be some sort of quantum entanglement or other physics that we have no clue about.

Whaddya mean "we?"

Seriously, if a kind of travel is truly possible that's based on conscious Intent instead of physical movement of matter, then it would be accessible to any who develop the requisite level of awareness. Being entirely based in consciousness, it would be a method of travel capable of being developed independently from any physical technological progress within a society. If anything, excessive focus on technology only makes discovering and developing what we might call shamanism even harder since the material world draws our attention in the opposite direction.

So, IF (and this is a big IF) shamanic journeying is real, then people on Earth may have been routinely communicating with extraterrestrial intelligences for thousands of years. Granted, it's a subtle kind of communication for the most part, but I would expect a Universal internet of consciousness to be low-key and easily missed by those not properly attuned.

SilvrHairDevil · 10-20-09, 13:16

In the early 70s, I and a group of like-minded people moved into a commune-type house that I rented. The previous tenants were the Hare Krishnas and they left behind a number of interesting items, including the complete works of Lobsang Rampa, which I read.

One of them, You Forever - (1965), contained explicit instructions on astral traveling.

http://www.lobsangrampa.org/research.html#You

http://www.lobsangrampa.org/astraltravel.html

Hippie3 · 10-20-09, 13:23

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Originally Posted by SilvrHairDevil

In the early 70s, I and a group of like-minded people moved into a commune-type house that I rented. The previous tenants were the Hare Krishnas and they left behind a number of interesting items, including the complete works of Lobsang Rampa, which I read.

One of them, You Forever - (1965), contained explicit instructions on astral traveling.

http://www.lobsangrampa.org/research.html#You

http://www.lobsangrampa.org/astraltravel.html

Hippie3 · 10-20-09, 13:27

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Originally Posted by Ras Asad

forgetting one?

that
some have been (undoubtedly)
exactly what they appear to be.
spacecraft.

it'll be alright
dont be scuurrred. lol

prove it.

Hippie3 · 10-20-09, 13:30

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Originally Posted by zodd

the desert would seem to be inhospitable to life as most of us who are scientifically challenged would see it, yet some creatures adapt ingenious coping strategies that mean they thrive. Maybe we live in the stark empty desert like side of the galaxy and just out of sight to be seen in the near future there is a paradise somewhere over the horizon. Filled with utopian life forms that don’t need to destroy each other to get by. I believe aliens and unforeseen phenomena means we should think outside our statistical and empirical understanding of the universe the world is vastly misunderstood, and as science is still in its infancy like the human race I think science should be more open minded in taking its influence from the delusional and the dreamer as that is where most science originates. not pointing any thingers

i find that
when folks don't like what science says
or have no science to back up belief
then science gets tossed out as invalid
and instead anything goes.
well, yeah, it's alot easier to talk shit
when there's no need to prove anything.
you can posit that
astral flying teddy bears rule the universe
because you ate some cactus or shrooms and
they talked to you and explained the meaning of all,
and no one can prove you wrong

failed_chemistry · 10-20-09, 14:18

the absence of evidence, is NOT the evidence of absence.

we all live in a yellow submarine.

zodd · 10-20-09, 14:55

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Originally Posted by Hippie3

i find that
when folks don't like what science says
or have no science to back up belief
then science gets tossed out as invalid
and instead anything goes.
well, yeah, it's alot easier to talk shit
when there's no need to prove anything.
you can posit that
astral flying teddy bears rule the universe
because you ate some cactus or shrooms and
they talked to you and explained the meaning of all,
and no one can prove you wrong

of which some good examples would be cults, religions, atheists and the government.

But blind hypothesis; (which i think your confusing with dogma) is where true science derives from it is the foundation to all we know to date. True science does not know the answers it looks for them.

the hypothesis need not have to justify itself as it is merely the building block to true science. True science cant be quoted or discredited it must be performed. But it is only after true science is done that those fragile individuals. with there neatly package understanding of the universe, and there pitch folks. find themselves discrediting the results of science with there fables, and hymns, while singing la la la I cant hear you and shoving there heads in the, sand. Seen as now they cant just burn us for being witches that is.

i think that space travel, and aliens must be vued with a larger degree of hypothesis as it is so far out of our reach. and our perception. What applies here on earth may not apply eltswere. Which means that by blindly following our current science we could be calculating our self’s out of discovery.

extrememetal43 · 10-20-09, 15:10

the question was do you believe in aliens not can you prove it, i believe the universe is so damn big the odds of us being the only intelligent life forms in the universe is just conceited. I mean are we also saying were the only intelligent life forms on this earth too.

I believe there is life elsewhere in the universe. I cant prove it but i believe it. Because there is so much out there...check out this pic...

zodd · 10-20-09, 15:12

i also believe the universe is alive and i someday hope to prove it. lol

BGB · 10-20-09, 16:12

Yes I do, I believe I have a friend that is some sort of hybrid alien. Half human, Half something not from here. I wish I had the time to tell you all about it but believe me, its hard to grasp...

Calaquendi · 10-20-09, 16:25

I'm thinking smoke some DMT and then make up your mind...or not...

Om shanti · 10-20-09, 16:39

Two possibilities exist: Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
-Arthur C. Clarke

Both ideas are breathtaking and crazy, so I wouldn't leave one for the other.

Also, I feel pretty alienated myself, sometimes.

Getafix · 10-20-09, 18:03

I suppose we could never prove that aliens exist but there is a vast amount of Possible evidence to suggest the existence of aliens.
That fact that there are more stars in the universe than there is grains of sand on all the beaches on this Planet, would suggest the existence of many other solar systems that could host Life. even if 1% of the stars have solar system similar to ours means that there could be millions of other planets that could sustain Life

The pics above are of sculptures and cave drawings that are 1000's of years old.
The Sculpture (top right) looks alot like a humanoid in a space suit.
Pics are from Eric von Daniken's "Chariots of the Gods"
There is a lot more "evidence" to be found, even in the Bible.

curtiss215 · 10-20-09, 18:51

i going too say one word infinite means endless forever which increases the odds infinitly so yes i do agree that there is somethink but what?

Ras Asad · 10-21-09, 06:14

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Prove it

yeah that doesnt get old or anything.

prove it?

i cant.

prove me wrong

you cant.

youll have the 'proof' you require soon enough.

dude, even scientists and physicists give more credence to the possibility than you do,
=
yet you always throw the " im only for only science" out there..

well ,
the scientists have "hopped on the bandwagon"... yer turn!

@ get a fix, and whoever else is posting "evidence" (good evidence, at that)

no matter how much evidence you show,
no matter what it is..

it will not bring certain folks out of denial.

they will shit on it, no matter how good , whether it is based on facts or not.

you could throw an alien spacecraft ( with live beings within) through their roof and they would still find a way to say it was a comet, airplane or swamp gas.

if you know the truth, good....
if not, so what.

it will be announcd to the planet,
perhaps sooner than some may care to accept.

nope, cant prove it.
no, dont need to.
we'll all see it for ourselves, soon.

and thought this was a thread about "beliefs". not PROOF.

no need to shit on everyone who believes something another does not.

no one can tell another what they have, or have not seen with their own two eyes, or experienced.
that is pure bullshit.

TVCasualty · 10-21-09, 09:32

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Originally Posted by Getafix

The pics above are of sculptures and cave drawings that are 1000's of years old.

Uhh, those little gold airplanes are kind of startling. Where were they found? And has their discovery been published in any peer-reviewed archaeology journals?

Oblivion · 10-21-09, 09:39

Extraterrestrial life exists as sure as there is a god, for He is not of this earth.

Hippie3 · 10-21-09, 10:24

y'all act like needing some evidence to base belief upon is somehow inferior
to just believing whatever.
i don't buy it.

like i said
it's the same bullshit game played by religion,
the idea that belief is as good [or better] than proof.
now y'all want to carry on and cry out 'I BELIEVE!!'
well, that's on you. not my problem.

i'll still wait on something tangible, testable
before leaping to any conclusion.
i sure won't be peer-pressured or ridiculed into it.

i'm the one being open-minded here, not you.
lacking evidence either way
i'm open to either possibility-
there might be other civilizations out there now
or maybe there are not.

at least i don't pretend to know like you do.
science starts by asking the question-
but no need to ask
if you think you already know the answers eh.
even when you do not know.

Oblivion · 10-21-09, 10:29

Reasonable expectation.

firerat · 10-21-09, 10:39

I think the existance of aliens is not only possible, but probable. There's just too many planets out there for there not to be something else. It would be a hell of a waste for us to be all there is. All opinion of course.

I do not, however, necessarily beleive aliens have been to our little planet. There's some interesting "evidence" that makes it seem possible, but I don't quite buy into it just yet.

Getafix · 10-21-09, 12:16

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Originally Posted by TVCasualty

Uhh, those little gold airplanes are kind of startling. Where were they found? And has their discovery been published in any peer-reviewed archaeology journals?

They were found in Columbia.
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_7.htm

http://www.crystalinks.com/ancientaircraft.html

zodd · 10-21-09, 12:17

i dont think any one was ripping on you man. its just that like it or not vue points come in different shapes and sizes some of them informed some not, Some of them well articulated and others like mine he he , but There is nothing fierier or inferior about blind speculative belief it is what it is, and no one said any thing was wrong with your compulsion for tangible evidence if you ask me the two are symbiotic to greater truth.

i too have voiced my poorly worded, badly edited, and slightly agnostic opinion on life in the stars its either there or its not. But i also voiced my hypothesis as to why i think there is something more to this life than what I can prove in my own back yard. But some ones lack of proof does not make them any less beneficial to a debate so long as they respect the opinion of the opposing mind set. I hope you don’t think im slashing you man you words have been a source of great wisdom during my stay here so far. along with many other topians.

I go out into my local community and I cant help but feel alien, not extra terrestrial. But in mind set. maybe its just the human condition but I struggle to get round it some times.
great thread copalandiakid

Calaquendi · 10-21-09, 12:59

I'm still for the whole smoke DMT thing...

tenjin · 10-21-09, 14:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by TVCasualty

Uhh, those little gold airplanes are kind of startling. Where were they found? And has their discovery been published in any peer-reviewed archaeology journals?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Getafix

They were found in Columbia.
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_7.htm

http://www.crystalinks.com/ancientaircraft.html

Ya those gold airplanes were kind of odd. Then in the link it said the archaeologists first labelled the objects as animal shaped objects. (moths?) Interesting. Some of those pics look like a old style plane as some of the tail wings on modern planes are nothing like that. Technology is advancing all the time where wings may be something of the past. It wouldn't seem credible if the theory is that the time when these were found resembled planes of that days modern aircraft. I dont know, something about a winged aircraft doesnt sound very far advanced from human standards. Maybe ancient people built flying craft. Interesting links though, Von Daniken has some interesting theories.
Like Ras said we may all see it for ourselves soon.

Hippie3 · 10-22-09, 12:46

his work is interpretation-
seeing what you want to see.

5-hydroxytryptamine · 10-22-09, 13:46

If the universe is a fractal then it must follow that higher humanoid entities exist, travel through space, genetically modify and colonize.

we are the small, new tip of this great self repeating pattern.

maybe.

I still laugh at all the alien videos out there. they all verge on religious mania, although i still love watching, laughing, wondering, hoping, and talking about aliens.

Belief is something that requires evidence for me. I really have yet to see any. as much as my cartoon-addled mind wants to believe, and run naked through a field after a saucer yelling "take me!! take me please!!

We're lucky Hippie is here to keep our delusions in chek lest they grow up into tinfoil flying saucers filled with helium in our back yards!!

SilvrHairDevil · 10-22-09, 14:50

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Originally Posted by 5-hydroxytryptamine

We're lucky Hippie is here to keep our delusions in chek...

Hip is skeptical enough to re-sloganize the State of Missouri from Show Me to Prove It.

Hatch_ · 10-22-09, 15:05

this should be a pole.
but in my mind life on other planets is a fore gone conclusion

stickyscissors · 10-22-09, 15:05

If you examine the hubble ultra deep field photo.. (i would post it, but i don't have it anymore, so you should google it if you haven't seen it) ..

The hubble telescope focused on a tiny area of empty space where no stars could be spotted. The area was not much larger than one of these letters. What it found was 10,000 galaxies. so if there are that many galaxies in that tiny of a space, any logical person would be lead to believe that there's no way that we are the only intelligent lifeforms in the universe! Statistically speaking there have to be others.

SilvrHairDevil · 10-22-09, 15:37

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Originally Posted by stickyscissors

If you examine the hubble ultra deep field photo.. (i would post it, but i don't have it anymore, so you should google it if you haven't seen it) ..

The hubble telescope focused on a tiny area of empty space where no stars could be spotted. The area was not much larger than one of these letters. What it found was 10,000 galaxies. so if there are that many galaxies in that tiny of a space, any logical person would be lead to believe that there's no way that we are the only intelligent lifeforms in the universe! Statistically speaking there have to be others.

Have a look at post #63.

Hatch_ · 10-22-09, 15:45

there are more stars than there are grains of sand on this planet.
next time your on the beach, pick up a hand full of sand and watch it slip though your fingers. Think how can there not be another planet orbiting a star that hasn't the same conditions to harvest life like this one.

Also the sun is a relatively young star. great civilizations were born and expired long before came to be, somewhere out there in the vastness of infinity.

stickyscissors · 10-22-09, 15:51

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Originally Posted by SilvrHairDevil

Have a look at post #63.

Hey thanks a lot. Perhaps a lot of people just scrolled past it like i did since it's a tiny thumbnail photograph.

SilvrHairDevil · 10-22-09, 16:08

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Originally Posted by stickyscissors

Hey thanks a lot. Perhaps a lot of people just scrolled past it like i did since it's a tiny thumbnail photograph.

Gets bigger when you click it.

Hatch_ · 10-22-09, 16:45

no #63 blew my mind, i spent i think an hour just staring at it.
but iam buzzzing off my nut right now. might have something to do with it.

Hippie3 · 10-22-09, 19:40

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Originally Posted by Hatch_

there are more stars than there are grains of sand on this planet.
next time your on the beach, pick up a hand full of sand and watch it slip though your fingers. Think how can there not be another planet orbiting a star that hasn't the same conditions to harvest life like this one.

Also the sun is a relatively young star. great civilizations were born and expired long before came to be, somewhere out there in the vastness of infinity.

the Sun is NOT a young star,
in fact it's middle-aged,
roughly halfway through
its' estimated expected lifespan.

red_lenses · 10-22-09, 21:49

I found this interesting: (not sure how to embed the video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhbuFlpaIGY

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copelandiaKidd · 10-22-09, 22:19

this has been great so far! Thanx for all the vids, links and especially post #63. that really blew my mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hatch_ · 10-22-09, 23:14

Ok hip the sun is middle aged and so are you.
I interjected a very important word ‘relatively’
You are relatively young compared to Henry the 8th
But also relatively old compared to my future children’s children
Never the less you are middle aged at this moment in time

The sun is a half way though its existence, yes.
This solo system is relatively young compared with stars that we see,
Some have long expired before the light has even reached us

The Sun is relatively a young star. I was meaning this in the context of
‘ great civilisations were born and expired long before we came to be’

I can back this up if need be.

TVCasualty · 10-23-09, 10:31

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Originally Posted by Hatch_

Ok hip the sun is middle aged and so are you.
I interjected a very important word ‘relatively’
You are relatively young compared to Henry the 8th
But also relatively old compared to my future children’s children
Never the less you are middle aged at this moment in time

I think the confusion stems from the difference between "young" and modern. Our star isn't young, but it's much more 'modern' (or contemporary) than earlier stars that were made of almost entirely hydrogen or hydrogen and some helium. I could be wrong, but that's the impression I had.

dead_diver · 10-24-09, 00:19

I see aliens almost every day. One of them mows my lawn twice a month.

i.p.freely · 10-24-09, 01:23

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Originally Posted by buteo

what if i were to tell you i am an alien ? lol

i'd call border patrol

Calaquendi · 10-24-09, 13:35

i.p.freely · 10-24-09, 15:55

Hippie3 · 10-24-09, 16:36

yeah, he means
recent,
not young.
btw henry VIII died when he was only 4 years older than i am now.

also it bears mention that
previous early generations of stars
burned out fast due to massive size,
making odds of life in the early universe
much more unlikely than it is now,
much like the earth itself-
it was here billions of years ago
but it was not habitable yet,
too many asteroid impacts, too many volcanoes, etc.

Calaquendi · 10-24-09, 16:42

yeah i.p. freely - that looks awesome, supposed to be based on 'true' events and clinical notes, etc. can't help but wonder if those claims are just another PR stunt to sell tickets? either way it looks like a cool movie...if you smoke enough DMT you'll eventually have your own close encounter of the fourth kind- okay i'll shut up...

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10-20-09, 01:26	#52 (permalink)
wildburr Midnight Toker Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,731	I firmly believe that we are not alone in this vast universe. As far as we can tell the universe is only 13 billion years old give or take a few. As big and endless as it seems there has to be other systems that could harbor life, behind or ahead of us evolutionary wise. But because it is so vast its hard to believe they could ever make it here to visit our lonely corner of the universe, unless they have evolved way beyond our capabilities. And how did we get found when we cant find any ourselves? __________________ Silence is Golden, but Duct tape is Silver.

10-20-09, 04:27	#54 (permalink)
zodd Maniacal Laughter Mwahaa! Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 584	the desert would seem to be inhospitable to life as most of us who are scientifically challenged would see it, yet some creatures adapt ingenious coping strategies that mean they thrive. Maybe we live in the stark empty desert like side of the galaxy and just out of sight to be seen in the near future there is a paradise somewhere over the horizon. Filled with utopian life forms that don’t need to destroy each other to get by. I believe aliens and unforeseen phenomena means we should think outside our statistical and empirical understanding of the universe the world is vastly misunderstood, and as science is still in its infancy like the human race I think science should be more open minded in taking its influence from the delusional and the dreamer as that is where most science originates. not pointing any thingers __________________ who would win between a monkey and a dog?

10-20-09, 05:26	#55 (permalink)
beautypath Mycophage Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 111	Fermi paradox Enrico Fermi one of the physicists at Los Alamos in the 1940s asked the question at the dinner table one night of his fellow physicists, ' If there are aliens out there then why haven't we seen them?' Given the number of planets that could have similar conditions to earth, there should be life out there. If so, many of them must be much older than life on earth and should have advanced races which should have been here. That is not the case, unless you prefer to grasp at straws and claim crop circles, Incan ruins, etc. are proof. I believe there is life out there given the history of the uniqueness hypothesis. This is the hypothesis that most of mankind has believed in and always turns out to be false. For example: The earth is the center of the universe, then our solar system is the center of the uiniverse, then our galaxy is the center. We are probably not unique either. TVCasualty is probably right in that nothing physical can exceed the speed of light, so that makes interstellar travel impossible, which is what Fermi was getting at. They are not going to show up in spaceships because the time and energy requirements prohibit it. TV is also on to the only way these aliens could show up, by some sort of astral travel. That could be some sort of quantum entanglement or other physics that we have no clue about. Maybe the aliens really are in the psychedelics. Inserting a program into the molecules of a psychedelic that would allow a type of astral travel is not that far out. We are now starting to design drugs that have specific effects.

10-20-09, 13:16	#57 (permalink)
SilvrHairDevil Aficionado Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 551	In the early 70s, I and a group of like-minded people moved into a commune-type house that I rented. The previous tenants were the Hare Krishnas and they left behind a number of interesting items, including the complete works of Lobsang Rampa, which I read. One of them, You Forever - (1965), contained explicit instructions on astral traveling. http://www.lobsangrampa.org/research.html#You http://www.lobsangrampa.org/astraltravel.html __________________ Fettuccini, linguini, martini, bikini - Vince

10-20-09, 14:18	#61 (permalink)
failed_chemistry Mycophiliac Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2	the absence of evidence, is NOT the evidence of absence. we all live in a yellow submarine.

10-20-09, 15:10	#63 (permalink)
extrememetal43 The Jester's Mad Chemist Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,204	the question was do you believe in aliens not can you prove it, i believe the universe is so damn big the odds of us being the only intelligent life forms in the universe is just conceited. I mean are we also saying were the only intelligent life forms on this earth too. I believe there is life elsewhere in the universe. I cant prove it but i believe it. Because there is so much out there...check out this pic... Attached Thumbnails __________________ Pantera told me to smoke DMT!

10-20-09, 15:12	#64 (permalink)
zodd Maniacal Laughter Mwahaa! Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 584	i also believe the universe is alive and i someday hope to prove it. lol __________________ who would win between a monkey and a dog?

10-20-09, 16:12	#65 (permalink)
BGB the one who ate too many. Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 250	Yes I do, I believe I have a friend that is some sort of hybrid alien. Half human, Half something not from here. I wish I had the time to tell you all about it but believe me, its hard to grasp...

10-20-09, 16:25	#66 (permalink)
Calaquendi Firstborn Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 406	I'm thinking smoke some DMT and then make up your mind...or not... __________________ " I am You and what I see is Me..."

10-20-09, 16:39	#67 (permalink)
Om shanti S.W.I.M. in H.POO Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,297	Two possibilities exist: Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying. -Arthur C. Clarke Both ideas are breathtaking and crazy, so I wouldn't leave one for the other. Also, I feel pretty alienated myself, sometimes. __________________ The most important thing is to find out what is the most important thing.-S. Suzuki

10-20-09, 18:03	#68 (permalink)
Getafix Old Hand Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 42	I suppose we could never prove that aliens exist but there is a vast amount of Possible evidence to suggest the existence of aliens. That fact that there are more stars in the universe than there is grains of sand on all the beaches on this Planet, would suggest the existence of many other solar systems that could host Life. even if 1% of the stars have solar system similar to ours means that there could be millions of other planets that could sustain Life The pics above are of sculptures and cave drawings that are 1000's of years old. The Sculpture (top right) looks alot like a humanoid in a space suit. Pics are from Eric von Daniken's "Chariots of the Gods" There is a lot more "evidence" to be found, even in the Bible. __________________ "These Romans are Crazy"

10-20-09, 18:51	#69 (permalink)
curtiss215 Mycophiliac Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 15	i going too say one word infinite means endless forever which increases the odds infinitly so yes i do agree that there is somethink but what?

10-21-09, 09:39	#72 (permalink)
Oblivion Join me there Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,622	Extraterrestrial life exists as sure as there is a god, for He is not of this earth. __________________ Delivery from ignorance is bliss.

10-21-09, 10:24	#73 (permalink)
Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 43,266	y'all act like needing some evidence to base belief upon is somehow inferior to just believing whatever. i don't buy it. like i said it's the same bullshit game played by religion, the idea that belief is as good [or better] than proof. now y'all want to carry on and cry out 'I BELIEVE!!' well, that's on you. not my problem. i'll still wait on something tangible, testable before leaping to any conclusion. i sure won't be peer-pressured or ridiculed into it. i'm the one being open-minded here, not you. lacking evidence either way i'm open to either possibility- there might be other civilizations out there now or maybe there are not. at least i don't pretend to know like you do. science starts by asking the question- but no need to ask if you think you already know the answers eh. even when you do not know. __________________ visit dial-a-hippie . Last edited by Hippie3; 10-22-09 at 12:39.

10-21-09, 10:29	#74 (permalink)
Oblivion Join me there Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,622	Reasonable expectation. __________________ Delivery from ignorance is bliss.

10-21-09, 10:39	#75 (permalink)
firerat Hose Lord Moderator Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,742	I think the existance of aliens is not only possible, but probable. There's just too many planets out there for there not to be something else. It would be a hell of a waste for us to be all there is. All opinion of course. I do not, however, necessarily beleive aliens have been to our little planet. There's some interesting "evidence" that makes it seem possible, but I don't quite buy into it just yet. __________________ When someone asks you, "A penny for your thoughts" and you put your two cents in . . . what happens to the other penny?

10-21-09, 12:17	#77 (permalink)
zodd Maniacal Laughter Mwahaa! Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 584	i dont think any one was ripping on you man. its just that like it or not vue points come in different shapes and sizes some of them informed some not, Some of them well articulated and others like mine he he , but There is nothing fierier or inferior about blind speculative belief it is what it is, and no one said any thing was wrong with your compulsion for tangible evidence if you ask me the two are symbiotic to greater truth. i too have voiced my poorly worded, badly edited, and slightly agnostic opinion on life in the stars its either there or its not. But i also voiced my hypothesis as to why i think there is something more to this life than what I can prove in my own back yard. But some ones lack of proof does not make them any less beneficial to a debate so long as they respect the opinion of the opposing mind set. I hope you don’t think im slashing you man you words have been a source of great wisdom during my stay here so far. along with many other topians. I go out into my local community and I cant help but feel alien, not extra terrestrial. But in mind set. maybe its just the human condition but I struggle to get round it some times. great thread copalandiakid __________________ who would win between a monkey and a dog?

10-21-09, 12:59	#78 (permalink)
Calaquendi Firstborn Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 406	I'm still for the whole smoke DMT thing... __________________ " I am You and what I see is Me..."

10-22-09, 12:46	#80 (permalink)
Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 43,266	his work is interpretation- seeing what you want to see. __________________ visit dial-a-hippie .

10-22-09, 13:46	#81 (permalink)
5-hydroxytryptamine nephilim Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 109	If the universe is a fractal then it must follow that higher humanoid entities exist, travel through space, genetically modify and colonize. we are the small, new tip of this great self repeating pattern. maybe. I still laugh at all the alien videos out there. they all verge on religious mania, although i still love watching, laughing, wondering, hoping, and talking about aliens. Belief is something that requires evidence for me. I really have yet to see any. as much as my cartoon-addled mind wants to believe, and run naked through a field after a saucer yelling "take me!! take me please!! We're lucky Hippie is here to keep our delusions in chek lest they grow up into tinfoil flying saucers filled with helium in our back yards!!

10-22-09, 15:05	#83 (permalink)
Hatch_ In The Jesus Hippy hole Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 50	this should be a pole. but in my mind life on other planets is a fore gone conclusion __________________ The trouble with the rat race is that even if you win, you're still a rat

10-22-09, 15:05	#84 (permalink)
stickyscissors Humble Student Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 317	If you examine the hubble ultra deep field photo.. (i would post it, but i don't have it anymore, so you should google it if you haven't seen it) .. The hubble telescope focused on a tiny area of empty space where no stars could be spotted. The area was not much larger than one of these letters. What it found was 10,000 galaxies. so if there are that many galaxies in that tiny of a space, any logical person would be lead to believe that there's no way that we are the only intelligent lifeforms in the universe! Statistically speaking there have to be others. __________________ Don't let the walls cave in on you. We can't live on, live on without you. You get what you give this much is true.

10-22-09, 15:45	#86 (permalink)
Hatch_ In The Jesus Hippy hole Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 50	there are more stars than there are grains of sand on this planet. next time your on the beach, pick up a hand full of sand and watch it slip though your fingers. Think how can there not be another planet orbiting a star that hasn't the same conditions to harvest life like this one. Also the sun is a relatively young star. great civilizations were born and expired long before came to be, somewhere out there in the vastness of infinity. __________________ The trouble with the rat race is that even if you win, you're still a rat

10-22-09, 16:45	#89 (permalink)
Hatch_ In The Jesus Hippy hole Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 50	no #63 blew my mind, i spent i think an hour just staring at it. but iam buzzzing off my nut right now. might have something to do with it. __________________ The trouble with the rat race is that even if you win, you're still a rat

10-22-09, 21:49	#91 (permalink)
red_lenses Pandoras Box Is Open Join Date: Feb 1973 Posts: 373	I found this interesting: (not sure how to embed the video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhbuFlpaIGY [youtube]IhbuFlpaIGY(video number the long number after v='s)[/youtube] minus the * [youtube]IhbuFlpaIGY[/youtube] __________________ I'm looking for me,You're looking for you. We're looking in at each other and we don't know what to do. They call me the seeker... Last edited by Irishlion; 10-23-09 at 12:39. Reason: embedded and added how to embed youtube vids

10-22-09, 22:19	#92 (permalink)
copelandiaKidd Void Of Boundaries Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 578	this has been great so far! Thanx for all the vids, links and especially post #63. that really blew my mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ "LEARN THE RULES SO YOU CAN BREAK THEM PROPERLY" -The Dali lama "i don't care if it eats my cat, as long as the damn thing fruits"~ prism

10-22-09, 23:14	#93 (permalink)
Hatch_ In The Jesus Hippy hole Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 50	Ok hip the sun is middle aged and so are you. I interjected a very important word ‘relatively’ You are relatively young compared to Henry the 8th But also relatively old compared to my future children’s children Never the less you are middle aged at this moment in time The sun is a half way though its existence, yes. This solo system is relatively young compared with stars that we see, Some have long expired before the light has even reached us The Sun is relatively a young star. I was meaning this in the context of ‘ great civilisations were born and expired long before we came to be’ I can back this up if need be. __________________ The trouble with the rat race is that even if you win, you're still a rat

10-24-09, 00:19	#95 (permalink)
dead_diver Mycotopiate Join Date: Mar 1972 Posts: 1,171	I see aliens almost every day. One of them mows my lawn twice a month. __________________ Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety- Benjamin Franklin

10-24-09, 13:35	#97 (permalink)
Calaquendi Firstborn Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 406	__________________ " I am You and what I see is Me..."

10-24-09, 15:55	#98 (permalink)
i.p.freely Wordsmithartclown Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 899	Im curious about this __________________ mr. p

10-24-09, 16:36	#99 (permalink)
Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 43,266	yeah, he means recent, not young. btw henry VIII died when he was only 4 years older than i am now. also it bears mention that previous early generations of stars burned out fast due to massive size, making odds of life in the early universe much more unlikely than it is now, much like the earth itself- it was here billions of years ago but it was not habitable yet, too many asteroid impacts, too many volcanoes, etc. __________________ visit dial-a-hippie .

10-24-09, 16:42	#100 (permalink)
Calaquendi Firstborn Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 406	yeah i.p. freely - that looks awesome, supposed to be based on 'true' events and clinical notes, etc. can't help but wonder if those claims are just another PR stunt to sell tickets? either way it looks like a cool movie...if you smoke enough DMT you'll eventually have your own close encounter of the fourth kind- okay i'll shut up... __________________ " I am You and what I see is Me..."

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