do you believe in aliens?

[copelandiaKidd]

what is every ones take on aliens? Do you think:

1)We are alone
2)We are being watched
3)we have been infiltrated
4)we have yet to see them but they are out there
5)or do you have any theories about "their" interest or motives...?



I am just curious about what everyone thinks!!!!!!!!!

[masterplain88]

we are alone!

[AmBe]

I don't believe earth is the only planet with life on it

[Phx]

hey cope....go ahead and change this thread to a poll thread.

IMHO ... to think we have the highest intelligence ... the most advanced ... and are the most civil creations in all of the known/un-known universe (and beyond) is just ignorance in its best .... and if we are .... then I believe one thing to be certain.... we could not be the only living things
in this universe.

Just my .02....

but hey I, like most am allow my own drunking opinions... I can't wait to see what everyone else thinks ... nice thread!

[Ras Asad]

far from alone.

but no one needs to hear my take on it,
we've all heard it more times than we care to, i am sure. lol

but some people "believe", some do not...
and some do not need to do either..
for many people, know , without any doubt whatsoever,
through their own experiences..
that others exist elsewhere in the Universe.
many of them
of many different kinds.
and many
just like you and i.

but ive been telling myself i would stop posting these thoughts here,
so ill stop there, and semi-apologize for saying what ive already said.
tired of having turds flung at my ("tinfoil hat wearing") head.

love n bless

[copelandiaKidd]

well, that tinfoil hat may be handy for you, in the fact you obviously believe! lol. I know everyone does not, and probably will not until a direct contact is made, but for those who do, us, there is "proof" or at least probable events that tell there is something else! there is too mush that has been seen that cannot be the government entirely! I am excited to know we war not alone(just my theory, Don't hate!)! I have seen stuff myself and have had so real a trip with alien intelligence! I know something is real and waiting to make an appearance and maybe 2012 is the time, idk! ras asad, I know you know what I mean! hehe

[copelandiaKidd]

btw, i was not sure how to make a poll thread! I thought it would be better for this, but not knowing how made me not progress! hows?

[tenjin]

Haha no problem Ras
At least turds are easy to clean off tinfoil




We're probably not alone (considering the magnitude of space) and probably been visited before while humans were here and when we were not here. The fact we don't know much of the inhabitants of earth besides ourselves and dinosaurs. I don't think we are being watched or anything but if they did visit in ancient past, then maybe there was some influence on humanity. And if they did visit in the past, will they return? It's possible.

[dimension traveler]

my intake is yes but i;m not sure about this dimension.

ras asad I like what you said. I'v had experiences lately that have been one on one contact and it's dawned on me that maybe we shouldn't talk about these things. we have these deep psychadelic experiences that we say words cant describe it, but we try to anyways.

imo every being holds a truth that there given at birth and it is there duty to find that truth and give it back, and then they truly lived there life.

so when we have these experiences and learn about ourselves from these devine teachers we dont need other man to try to give there 02 about it, but instead we as individuals who say we are enlightend from it all just need to express it, and show it in our light being.

as far as what i said about psychadelics this would be assuming that we all stuck to the plants and not did compounds. or synthisised chems.

If I could push a button that would send love frequencies to and through all your computers I would lol

[Irishlion]

IMO its a pretty arrogant though to think that there isn't any other intellegent life out there in this vast and very very very old galaxy or universe of ours. I am quite sure we aren't alone and I personally believe that our race as it is was created by another far superior one. There are far to many acient stories and myth and legends about men coming down from the heavens and teaching man in every single society we have had on this planet. Even the bible tells the "god" made us in his own like image. Well there is only really one true way to do that. Genetic manipulation. I know I am just nuts but, hey its what I personally believe and have seen in many many a vision during my breakthroughs on cactus and mushies and the like.

[Ras Asad]

i yous.
thanks for the chuckles n +vibes.

... i jus typed a long response quoting some of you and lost it all.
illl redo it again tomorrow. lol
thanks.

[Hippie3]

i believe in scientific fact.
not just whatever i like to think.

[Ras Asad]

how about what you, yourself experience>?
do you need 'scientific fact' for that as well?

[zodd]

im with hip to a degree. i will only believe what is in front of me,

so when I see a world that is inhabited by aliens and colours and perception and so many things science tries so valiantly to understand by placing them in little tiny box size definitions until such time that it proves its self to have been something different, then science in its infinite brilliance takes it out of that box and places it in a new equally confined box. This is what we know to be as close to truth as it gets, so I can never say hole heartedly that I believe something is or isn’t something. its just not in my nature.

But what I can do is make a educated guess

So take the earth. Diverse vast and alien, then look at it from an ants perspective my back yard to those ants is vast divers and alien then take your petri dishes with you lovely cubensis mycelium. Different scale same phenomena.


So heuristically, how can i not believe that the universe is just as divers and weird and wonderful as the example it gives me on my doorstep? The world i live in is the evidence i need to push me to a verdict of very probable. Speculation plays a bigg part in scientific fact,

and as I know there is no true fact, just personal truth and the populous statues quo, and the borders of truth as we all know it as individuals is constantly being pushed and moved and exploded. so my answer would be the answer I give to all of these sorts of questions

i don’t have a clue.

But im willing to be persuaded

[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by Ras Asad

how about what you, yourself experience>?
do you need 'scientific fact' for that as well?

damn right,
as i have been known to have
hallucinations.

[buteo]

go find the scientific facts and than you can prove it to everyone

[Stryker636]

I am not going to disagree that there are lifeforms of some similar or different beings out there, And I will not agree that there is lifeforms of similar or different beings. I am sure though, that if there is or is not, we will know at some point.
I am leaning towards there is in a sense, because it is just so vast.

[Hippie3]

that's a pretty silly comment buteo,
you can do better methinks.

[TVCasualty]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

i believe in scientific fact.
not just whatever i like to think.

As science keeps probing deeper and deeper into the Mystery of existence, it gets more and more probabilistic; "facts" are just the most highly-probable outcome or result or whatever.

Taking that view, the probability of the existence of intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe is so close to 100% that I'd say it's practically-speaking a fact and we'd be safe in acting as if it were true (that is, looking and listening for them).

However, the probability that we will hear an alien radio broadcast or otherwise directly perceive intelligent alien life is directly related to whether or not faster-than-light travel is possible (however it may be achieved, physically or even possibly spiritually). Unless we get a new Einstein who finds something the first Einstein missed, Warp Drive is not gonna happen so that leaves astral projection.

If a consciousness can learn how to 'travel' across the universe, it can arrive and teach physical beings how to build nifty flying objects that other beings can't identify (like the ones I posted pictures of in another old thread around here that routinely fly over a friend of mine's house), so I would tend to think all UFO's are either hallucinations or man-made craft.

And the reason SETI hasn't heard anything yet is that the universe is so freakin' big that even if there were millions of advanced civilizations scattered throughout the universe (highly probable, in fact ) and all of them were beaming massive amounts of radio transmissions into space, they are all so far away from each other that the transmissions simply haven't had enough time to get from one to another yet, or at least from another one to ours.

I guess that means one day (so to speak) our corner of the universe might suddenly get bombarded by ancient radio transmissions from countless long since vaporized civilizations; if a civilization on the opposite side of the Milky Way Galaxy sends us a radio message, it'll take 100,000 years to get here. The first television broadcasts from aliens living in the Andromeda Galaxy will take 2 million years to get to us, so likewise if we say humanity's first substantial radio broadcast was in 1901, that means as of right now it's only 108 light years away (that's only 1/10 of 1% of the diameter of the Milky Way!).

[buteo]

haha it was silly....but i think its true. when some one tells me something exists it helps when they have the evidence. and the best way for someone to go find evidence is go look for it themsleves....bring your aliens in for show and tell....


yes hippie when you thought i could do better i failed you again by going deeper into my 1st failure

[Hippie3]

it's not as probable that 'aliens' survived long enough to reach technological prowess,
earth's history shows many near-total extinctions
and we've only had radio less than two centuries.
and Sol orbits the galactic core in a fairly quiet area,
vast areas of the galaxy are regularly bathed by lethal ionizing radiation.
throw in the fact that many 'earth-like' planets are
too hot, too cold, too massive, not massive enough,
orbit dying stars or baby stars still unstable,
etc.
there are many, many 'fortunate circumstances' here
that won't be found everywhere,
reducing the apparent odds considerably.

[buteo]

what if these sightings people explain arent alien at all...and actually from this same planet?

[Hippie3]

what, from the hollow core ?

sightings predate the invention of aircraft
and so aircraft cannot explain the phenomenon.
in fact there is no single explanation
as sightings are not uniform-
some undoubtedly have been misidentified clouds and aircraft,
some have been falling space debris or astronomical events.
and some have been out-right frauds, fabrications.

[buteo]

what if i were to tell you i am an alien ? lol

[larshroom]

I think it's ridiculous to think we are the only intelligent life in the the galaxy, let alone the entire universe. 100 million+ stars in our galaxy, 100 million+ galaxies, however many dimensions there are...( I think many believe 11 dimensions now), I think the odds are very good of a higher intelligence than ours.

Whether they have been here or not, who knows. But when you see those ancient cave drawings of spaceships, it makes me wonder.

I often think we are being watched and once we can get our shit together and live as one planet instead of several countries at war with one another...they will make themselves known.

That last thought of course is wishful thinking but as far as intelligent life elsewhere, it is one of the few things I firmly believe in without any evidence.

[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by buteo

what if i were to tell you i am an alien ? lol

i'd want to see the autopsy report.

[jay-pheno]

i think we just havnt found the StarGate yet ,,

when i have my own home ,, i plan on painting "beam me up" on the roof ,

[dimension traveler]

has anyone seen the giant crop circle of a mushroom? I think it was amanita tho. still cool

[BetweenSpace]

I think there is intelligent life out there. And even the traditional belief of ufo's ect and other dimensions. I often wonder if we are a very very small part of something else that is living, which is a very very small part of... well you get the idea. I find repetition in my thoughts and the world that appears to be outside my mind especially in nature. Some of these were seen on strong quality Salvia extract some other psychedelics and some sober.

[buteo]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

i'd want to see the autopsy report.

Will you believe it if the report was written in crayon?

[Beastmaster]

I wonder what the ratio is of our members here, of believers in God vs believers in aliens?

[mushit]

I guess it would depend on whether it was a religious God or a spiritual God.

That would make an interesting poll as well.

[SilvrHairDevil]

TVC said:

"And the reason SETI hasn't heard anything yet is that the universe is so freakin' big that even if there were millions of advanced civilizations scattered throughout the universe (highly probable, in fact ) and all of them were beaming massive amounts of radio transmissions into space, they are all so far away from each other that the transmissions simply haven't had enough time to get from one to another yet, or at least from another one to ours.

I guess that means one day (so to speak) our corner of the universe might suddenly get bombarded by ancient radio transmissions from countless long since vaporized civilizations; if a civilization on the opposite side of the Milky Way Galaxy sends us a radio message, it'll take 100,000 years to get here. The first television broadcasts from aliens living in the Andromeda Galaxy will take 2 million years to get to us, so likewise if we say humanity's first substantial radio broadcast was in 1901, that means as of right now it's only 108 light years away (that's only 1/10 of 1% of the diameter of the Milky Way!). "

And I agree. Given the mind-boggling size and age of even the known universe, it is certain that other intelligences have/are/will occur somewhere, somewhen.

The chances of us interacting with those intelligences, however, are vanishingly small.

And - a comment I read on LiveScience: Humans are particularly nasty and unfriendly. The reason aliens haven't revealed themselves to us is they are afraid we will follow them home.

[Irishlion]

Originally Posted by Beastmaster

I wonder what the ratio is of our members here, of believers in God vs believers in aliens?

What if "god" is a alien? I mean think of it like this, a infant race still learning to crawl much less walk is visited by beings with far far far superior technology as well as far superior mental capabilites, would this infant race not veiw them as gods? Its all over in our acient writing and text of beings coming down from the heavens and living here for a time and then returning to the stars. Just look at mexico for one instance and
Quetzalcoatl which was a pale skinned man that came from the stars and taught them to grow crops and how to form a society and such, then we have the annunaki that supposedly created man, where they lived in summeria, mesopotamia area and their civilaztion was called e-den. Kinda wierd. These are just 2 instances but, if you do some reasearch you will see these exact same tales all over the world and all throughout time about "beings from the heavens" coming down and teaching man in variuos stages of our evaloution. Its quite interesting to study, I do like Zacharia Sitchin's theories on how we came to be as we are now. There are many many others scientists that hold these same theories. Its quite interesting if nothing more than a noviety. Perhaps as we contiune the human genome project we will finally find out that maybe just maybe, we are of exterrestrial orgin ourselves and we are the aliens or well the hybrids of such beings.

[dimension traveler]

boy we could use quetzalacoatl right now, either him or his brother I forget

[bbd2]

the aliens i believe most likely to exist are temporal
future earth inhabitants who can reach into their past
our descendants far advanced
reaching back to speak to us

i dont think meeting an (non-earth origin) extraterrestrial alien would necessarily be a fun thing
given what we know about humans and possible reasons we would be traveling to the stars
i dont want to meet aliens from another planet who have resource needs
it wouldnt go well IMHO
and if they were all nice,
you know we'd try to jack them somehow
get their weapons, technology,
maybe they taste good (how can we know unless we try, eh...)
or their blood cures cancers

the distance btwn planets is for the safety of all
both ours and theirs

wonder if thats on purpose?

[eatyualive]

with the size and limitlessness of the universe id say that its hard to say there is not any other life out there.

an alien could be bacteria. id say that there is a real high chance that there is different alien(meaning not of this world not little green beings) types of bacteria all over the universe.

life is made to expand. we have some really amazing places on this planet that we would never begun to think life existed and yet it does. when bacteria is placed in space it militarizes. so to me that says something radical about life. its made to travel.

[larshroom]

Is it a coincidence that Independence Day is on now?

[pharmer]

First - I don't really have strong beliefs about any of these topics just my own thoughts which are shared below.

It seems that these discussions always expose our desire to think of "others" as like ourselves or somehow so like us that we can relate to them. This strikes me as very unlikely. Given the vastness of space and the seemingly infinite environments that might create life there's equal reason to believe life could be like us or not at all like us at all.

If they are not like us they might be all around us right now and we don't even know it, or even have a mechanism to know it. This is why I discount the idea of flying saucers. They are too like something we can imagine and really are just improved versions of what we have already created to fly around in.

Changing topic just a little - anybody who's done a breakthrough dose of almost any natural drug has had some kind of realization of some kind of entity that is so beyond our own understanding that words uterly fail to describe it. And when we try to tell friends about this "thing" later we sound like somebody who's been downing massive quantities of hallucinagens. Much of this realizing is done on a personal and nonquantifiable level and, sadly, lost quite quickly after the drug wears off. We can kind of describe it but never never ever make someone KNOW what we saw in that rare and beautiful state.

And if there is other life out there - that make US their aliens!

[Ras Asad]

what the bible called "gods" and "angels"..
we now call "aliens".

the concept of 'god', and 'aliens'.. are not that far from one another.
if you look deep enough and put enough of the pieces together.

damn right,
as i have been known to have
hallucinations.

true dat!

but i think if any people were to be able to tell the difference between a hallucination, and a true, physical experience..
it would be the folks here.
then again... maybe not.... who knows. lol

[copelandiaKidd]

thanx for everyone's input on this topic!!!!! im enjoying it

[TVCasualty]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

it's not as probable that 'aliens' survived long enough to reach technological prowess,
earth's history shows many near-total extinctions
and we've only had radio less than two centuries.
and Sol orbits the galactic core in a fairly quiet area,
vast areas of the galaxy are regularly bathed by lethal ionizing radiation.
throw in the fact that many 'earth-like' planets are
too hot, too cold, too massive, not massive enough,
orbit dying stars or baby stars still unstable,
etc.
there are many, many 'fortunate circumstances' here
that won't be found everywhere,
reducing the apparent odds considerably.

Well, that's just it... You can reduce the odds considerably, but the odds still remain high enough for there to be millions of instances of life-supporting planets surrounding just-right stars that are not hit by any asteroids long enough for the inhabitants to get to where we are (wherever that is). The numbers get so big that they really don't have any comprehensible meaning to terrestrial primates like us anymore.

Also, life can exist in far more places than we thought even five years ago. The list of extremophiles keeps expanding now that we're starting to look for them in places we previously "knew" life could not exist. There are bacteria in the plumbing of our nuke plants that live off of ionizing radiation, so even that is not a barrier to primitive life. And since primitive life forms are proven to be able to thrive in seemingly inhospitable environments, planetary catastrophe doesn't necessarily take a given planet out of the running for developing intelligent life so long as some of those organisms survive. You mentioned how Earth has had its share of planetary catastrophes and mass-extinctions, yet here we are.

[designlogic]

It is possible that other intelligent life forms exist
in the universe I think we have to consider this
"The most current estimates guess that there are 100 to 200 billion galaxies in the Universe, each of which has hundreds of billions of stars.
A recent German supercomputer simulation put that number even higher: 500 billion.
In other words, there could be a galaxy out there for every star in the Milky Way."
This excerpt is from http://www.universetoday.com/guide-t...-the-universe/ With this in mind
It is hard for me to believe that there is not some other form of
intelligent life out there. For all we know we could just be one of
their experiments, but I doubt that. The amount of energy needed
to travel light years upon light years would be enormous I mean
sure there may be some element or process we have yet to
discover which could provide such energy. I guess aliens are
possible but as for all the accounts I personally am not buying
it, I guess it can be good for the economy though I am sure
aliens and all of the products created around that theme
has made for more than a few jobs .

[Ras Asad]

TVC~ Unless we get a new Einstein who finds something the first Einstein missed, Warp Drive is not gonna happen

check out : Nassim Haramein
and maybe : John Hutchison

"warp drive" isnt that far off...

[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by TVCasualty

Well, that's just it... You can reduce the odds considerably, but the odds still remain high enough for there to be millions of instances of life-supporting planets surrounding just-right stars that are not hit by any asteroids long enough for the inhabitants to get to where we are (wherever that is). The numbers get so big that they really don't have any comprehensible meaning to terrestrial primates like us anymore.

Also, life can exist in far more places than we thought even five years ago. The list of extremophiles keeps expanding now that we're starting to look for them in places we previously "knew" life could not exist. There are bacteria in the plumbing of our nuke plants that live off of ionizing radiation, so even that is not a barrier to primitive life. And since primitive life forms are proven to be able to thrive in seemingly inhospitable environments, planetary catastrophe doesn't necessarily take a given planet out of the running for developing intelligent life so long as some of those organisms survive. You mentioned how Earth has had its share of planetary catastrophes and mass-extinctions, yet here we are.

it bears mention those extremophiles you mention -
they are descendants of highly evolved lifeforms,
with dna, cell structure, etc.

it remains to be seen if life can actually begin
in such hostile conditions.

on earth it apparently formed under very mild favorable conditions
long after the earth formed and itself evolved into a form
that not only could sustain life
but could actually create it.

and don't neglect the last factor-
not only must this life be in our 3D universe
but it must also match our position in the time stream-
life that existed millions of years ago
or will exist millions of years in our future
is not 'out there' now.
another reduction in the odds, therefore.

[Ras Asad]

it is said..

that perhaps.. there are biological processes going in within the clouds of Venus..
pretty extreme conditions....

The acidic clouds of Venus could in fact be hiding life. Unlikely as it sounds, the presence of microbes could neatly explain several mysterious observations of the planet's atmosphere.
Venus is usually written off as a potential haven for life because of its hellishly hot and acidic surface. But conditions in the atmosphere at an altitude of around 50 kilometres are relatively hospitable: the temperature is about 70 °C, with a pressure of about one atmosphere.
Although the clouds are very acidic, this region also has the highest concentration of water droplets in the Venusian atmosphere. "From an astrobiology point of view, Venus is not hopeless," says Dirk Schulze-Makuch from the University of Texas at El Paso.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2843-acidic-clouds-of-venus-could-harbour-life.html

There are NASA biologists who have speculated that there is some possible evidence of biological processes occurring in the clouds of Venus.

From what we can detect, there are trace gasses in Venus' atmosphere that may not be in chemical equilibrium with each other. These gasses "should" be in a natural equilibrium, but some process or processes seem to be creating a disequilibrium. One possible explanation for this disequilibrium could be presence of biological processes.

Here is an excerpt of a paper written by a scientist at NASA's John Glenn Research Center that discusses this possibility:
3.3 Present Life

Could bacterial life exist in the atmosphere of Venus today? Although this is considered unlikely, the possibility of life in the clouds or the middle atmosphere of Venus has not been ruled out by any observations made to date. While the atmosphere is both dry and acidic,extremophilic life has adapted to far more harsh conditions on Earth.

There is some evidence that the trace-gas constituents of the Venus atmosphere are not in chemical equilibrium with each other. On Earth, the primary source of disequilibrium in the atmospheric chemistry is the activities of biological processing; could disequilibrium on Venus also be a sign of life? In 1997, David Grinspoon made the suggestion that microbes in the clouds and middle atmosphere [4] could be the source of the disequilibrium. In 2002, Dirk Schulze-Makuch [6] independently proposed that observations of the Venus atmosphere by space probes showed signatures of possible biological activity.

As noted by Grinspoon and Schulze-Makuch, the Venus atmosphere has several trace gasses which are not in chemical equilibrium. The Venera missions and the Pioneer Venus and Magellan probes found that carbon monoxide is scarce in the planet's atmosphere, although solar radiation and lightning should produce it abundantly from carbon dioxide. Hydrogen sulfide and sulfur dioxide, two gases which react with each other and thus should not be found together, are also both present, indicating some process (possibly biological?) is producing them. Finally, although carbonyl sulfide is difficult to produce inorganically, it is present in the Venusian atmosphere. On Earth, this gas would be considered an unambiguous indicator of biological activity. While none of these chemical combinations are in themselves an unambiguous sign of life, it is interesting enough to warrant a more careful look at the atmospheric chemistry.

Another interesting sign is the nature of the ultraviolet-absorbing aerosols that form the markings seen in UV images of the planet (figure 2). The nature of these aerosols, and whether they are biological in origin, is still unknown.

On Earth, viable microorganisms are found in clouds...

Source:
This is the source NASA web page containing a pdf link to this paper -- scroll down on the website to find the PDF link:http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/citations/...03-212310.html
Website -- NASA.gov -- Astrobiology: The Case for Venus
Or, here is the direct link to the PDF file:
PDF file -- Astrobiology: The Case for Venus http://gltrs.grc.nasa.gov/reports/20...003-212310.pdf

[SilvrHairDevil]

"it remains to be seen if life can actually begin
in such hostile conditions.

on earth it apparently formed under very mild favorable conditions
long after the earth formed and itself evolved into a form
that not only could sustain life
but could actually create it."

Here is an explanation by a person smarter than I am:

http://asimovsoriginoflife.blogspot....1_archive.html

[BetweenSpace]

A music video which has "evidence" from the widely known to the less known. I learn something nearly every time I see it. I don't really need evidence, I got enough of that while standing on my front porch one night and will never look at the unknown the same way. Oh almost forgot- the video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSZEsveX-s4 I couldn't figure out the way to directly paste the video (instead of a link to it)

[*youtube]xSZEsveX-s4(video number after the v=)[/*youtube] Minus the *

[marmy]

Well, its not whether I believe or not, But I do want to believe.

At this time, I have seen no evidence that any life exists out side of our planet. That does not mean it does not exist, just that I have seen no evidence. No one I know has seen any evidence.

That being said, I have seen no evidence that there is a biblically defined God either.

At this time there are new galaxies being formed along with new stars and solar systems. Millions of years from now, perhaps life could develop.

Life began on out planet according to our scientists millions of years ago.
We have a relatively newer star too.

Yes, there is a chance that life somewhere else could have formed before the life on our planet.

But there is also a chance the Humans are the first in the universe. Maybe the only in the universe. Or perhaps just next...

There are a lot of if's. I mean if life is not uncommon, what are the chances of "intelligent" tool using life?

So for now, I say we are alone until proven otherwise. Expect the best prepare for the worst

[rapture99]

Great thread we are definitely not alone!!! I am a firm believer that the government is hiding something .