15 gallons of WBS-- Texans n cakes

[thepope]

So this is a a grow from a foriegn land where the Majority doesn't impose its unjust, unthinking will on good folks, and the mushrooms and marijuana wave happily and tall under the sun

Foaf soaked wbs for two hours in a bucket, then used the lid with holes in it to rinse off the WBS... this seems like a convenient way to prepare grain-
no cooking and no overnight soak....
This was loaded into large spawnbags, 3 quarts of WBS per bag, with some water and PCed for 1.5 hours
They were innoced with Texan MS on Feb 8,
and by March 1 they were finished colonizing and placed in the fruiting chamber....

The terrarium is made from PVC, fittings, and a piece of sturdy polyethylene, duct taped together and with a layer of perlite on the bottom for the cakes to grow into and be humidified by
This whole setup cost less than 10$ and simply by lifting the lid, the air is exchanged and this is sufficient humidity and FAE for cakes like this
Here's some pics
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They should be fruiting soon, Foaf says he'll send us more pics as he gets them

[antivanity]

interesting... have to keep an eye on this one..

[rygo796]

Typically people case WBS because it doesn't hold much liquid, which results in small fruits. If you just put those in the FC I would sugguest breaking em up and casing it and you will get a significantly better flush.

[CoyoteMesc]

I thought grain had a tough time fruiting by itself?

[Mermaidia]

Nice...but i wouldn't suggest putting your cakes directly on the perlite as they can become water logged. You could set them on the lids of the jars to protect them from that.
Kinda hard to tell from pic but the cakes appear to be nice and healthy. Keep us updated on the pins so we all can participate in the pin dance with you.

[doobydoobydoo]

Hah, never seen big wbs tex blocks b4... When I heard 15 gallon of wbs, I thought something far different. Going to be interesting to watch.

[Pscilencio]

Originally Posted by Mermaidia

Nice...but i wouldn't suggest putting your cakes directly on the perlite as they can become water logged. You could set them on the lids of the jars to protect them from that.

I was gonna say that. this method seems easy enough. I was reading on noc-ing popcorn. I wonder if this would be a method to use with that one to get more yield? Is the purpose for this thread time saving? bulk yield? or both?

[sandoze]

Foaf soaked wbs for two hours in a bucket, then used the lid with holes in it to rinse off the WBS... this seems like a convenient way to prepare grain-
no cooking and no overnight soak....

how do u get the 49-54% h2o optima with a 2 hr soak ?

there are two schools of thought on the subject of grain prep. first being that cooking the grain in boiling water for an hour assures that the grain has a even water content and draining the water yields a cleaner starting product .

the second is placing the dry grain in jars and adding the desired amount of hot water, and then soaking for 12-24 hrs . the main argument for this method is ease of prep. due to one step procedure
as well as valuable starches and other nutrients not being discarded . with heat resistant endospores not being killed in the steeping process above . allowing the grain to sit in water for 12-24hrs lets the contams start to germinate just enough to break from there shells and be heat sinsitive and easily killed during the PC .
both have pro's and con's . they both have there place depending on what grain is being used . for instance popcorn is a hard grain thats easier to use after steeping for an hr . grass seed is also easier to use when steeped . where wbs and rye tend to get a bit to soft when steeped and tend to crack and explode kernels that are prone to contams . and in the same breath i can complain that when grain is added to jars to soak that water content tends to be uneven .

I have to say . i am intrested in your process and im not bashing it . i feel that expierments are needed to progress mushroom tech . as im sure must here do as well .its the brave souls such as yourself that dare to try that gave us PF teks and all the other teks we use here everyday. as any mushdork will tell ya a healthy skeptisism is must with untested and unproven ideas and teks . so that said i have a few questions .

1 have you tested the grain to for the water content before and after pc?
2 does it fall in the 48-54% range for healthy growth of myc?
3 is the grain to be used as spawn or as a fruiting substrate?

i have more questions that all ask later , and will follow this thread as long as its active . you very well might be onto somthing here !! and please dont take what was said as ball busting . its not personal im just intrested in your idea . keep us posted , cant wait to see more pics and end results . best of luck
later sandoze

[thepope]

Lol,
My foaf has tried this method before with great success,
the cakes are fine to set directly on the perlite,
indeed, they like it: they grow down into it and get water from it
maybe you guys were oversaturating your perlite?

WBS fruits just fine like this....foaf has DONE this
he yielded 30-40g per cake every time so far,
and this was without a casing

Sandoze:
try this....
Put WBS in bucket, have the lid prepared with lots of holes in it to drain
add hot tap water
Two hours later, rinse grain, then turn the bucket upside down to drain for 30 mins or so
Now into a spawn bag put 3 quarts of WBS and 1.5-2 cups of water
PC for 1.5 hours (PCing for only 1 hour resulted in all bags contaminating)
This ends up as PERFECT wbs, at least as far as can be told....
Foaf experimented with no water added up to 2.5 cups and finds anywhere between 1.5-2 cups to be fine
"There are two schools of thought"- Well foaf dropped out of school and likes where he's at..... His methods are neither untested nor unproven:
The proof is in the mushie
Give this a try if you like brother, I vouch for Foaf's skills
No pics of the last grow...... but any of you can try this at any point and prove it to yourself, but there will be pics in a few days to show how this goes

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1 have you tested the grain to for the water content before and after pc?
2 does it fall in the 48-54% range for healthy growth of myc?
3 is the grain to be used as spawn or as a fruiting substrate?
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1 no, but this WBS came straight out of the bag into being prepared
2 the growth of myc in this substrate is the fastest that FOAF has ever seen, some bags were fully colonized after 12-14 days from MS innoc
He doesn't have a meter to measure this, but can certainly say that the growth is up to par with any grow
3 this grain can be used as spawn or fruiting,
it is said that this will give tiny mushies, and with the tex this is already the case, and certainly they are smaller than those from a big cased straw/dung grow, but for other strains(EQ, Amazon) this has been PROVEN untrue at least to my foaf's own eyes.....The mushies resulting were full size the top weight for a single one being 2g cracker dry
please anyone doubting this please experiment

Foaf feels that this method wouldn't work worth a shit if the cakes were not sitting directly on the perlite They send runners down, several inches from the cake and all the big fruits come from all around the bottom;
it is clear that they are drawing a lot of moisture from here

Foaf's confidence is not shaken by doubt, he has seen the proof,
in holographic colors playing across the sky

Foaf thinks that breaking these into trays and casing might result in a better yield, but then again, this is easy:
Prepare bags, innoc, wait two weeks and toss on the perlite, then wait to harvest 30-40g per cake avg......

[floppypeter]

THe POPe is breakin all the rules !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love you man.

no seriously,

You are

1) growing on perlite

2) using grain to fruit

3) Didn't germ your endo-spores

this means YOU ROCK

The first two fly in the face of every TEK that's reccomended here and the third I find amazing because I've never had any luck with grain without soaking for a day first. I am lazy so believe me I tried had to throw out 20+ jars before I found that a soak was necessary.

So for this I salute you.

IMHO I feel its kind of like using a 357 magnum long barrell to shoot a squirrell ( using 15 gallons of WBS to get 300-400 grams of fresh mush per cake ) IME on average I get 300-400 grams of fresh mush spawning 1/2 quart WBS to a bulk sub uisng half the space but probably more time and without a doubt, less time listening to that goddamn PC chatter all day in the kitchen. LMAO

I love what you have done, truly different, thanx

[CoyoteMesc]

wbs fruits just fine like this....FOAF has DONE this
he yielded 30-40g per cake every time so far,
and this was without a casing

dang, is that dry...per flush..

dried total flushes?

[Bobcat]

His methodology doesn't fly in the face of everything. Not the only one to not soak. Heard of lots of people being very successful. Not the only one to fruit a grain block. I've done it. Many many have. Some people think straight grain offers more mushrooms in the long run than bulk. (Lets not forget that the standard PF tek is a 'straight grain' tek- just with non-nutritive support via verm) Lots of people and businesses have done these things before and will again. Give the foaf a chance to strut their stuff.

I'm not a particular fan of placing stuff on perlite, but the idea that the mycelium would pull water up is sound. Only reason I don't like it is cause I wouldn't want to mess with cleaning it or anything. And one would think there would be some greater chance of contamination as wastes are secreted into the perlite.... But if it works for your foaf, and your foaf is happy, whos to say otherwise?

Does your foaf dunk later? How many flushes?

[joey_megabucks]

can't wait to see foaf's pics

[doobydoobydoo]

So what did you get, 1 big 40lb bag and use it all? Dats about 3 5gal pails...

[thepope]

With this method in the past,
Foaf got at least 4 flushes per cake, dunking for a few hours in chilly tap water after every one..... The 30-40g per cake dry is from the combined total of the flushes.... only about 7-10g dry per flush per cake

He said he would send pics later today
Now that they're flushing, these tex are tiny mushies, but very pretty and prolific..... Foaf knows that this is not a result of the substrate however, due to full sized (biggest wat 8 in tall and thick as a man's pinky) success in the past......

the only manure that foaf was able to locate was Black Kow, he tried spawning 9 quarts of colonized grain into about an equal amount of this pasteurized poo, but it wouldn't grow through the poo, and just contaminated.... and the poo is smelly
He had aquired a smaller bale of wheat straw, but had nothing to chop it up with except scissors
This was put down as hippy carpet in foaf and foaf GF's outdoor living situation before he had a chance to use it for a sub, though

The nice thing about this is that, the method doesn't take much more time or materials than the PF tek
The flushes come over the span of a few weeks, from what I understand,
most people doing bulk grows only get a flush or two right?

Foaf borrowed two PCs that hold 4 spawnbags each run, he ran them at the same time, twice in one day...... this took up most of one day, well alot of it was just waitng for the PC or soak, but it still took attention

He feels that this is a very reasonable amount of work/time for such a yield :-)
and bows humbly to those that do better and have successful bulk ops,
as this is beyond him at the moment

[thepope]

Pics of the first flush from one of these cakes.....
These are two shots of the same thing.
This is from one of the cakes that finished colonizing before the rest, and fruiting first too...
The wet weight of this is 95g wet, which if the Tex dry heavier than other shrooms, as is indicated here and elsewhere, should be about 15g....
and this is only the first flush from 1 of 20 cakes, which he expects several flushes from

The pure grain cakes only advantage beside simplicity is that it holds a shitload of nutrition, every cake that foaf did like this in the past yielded AT LEAST 4 flushes
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[floppypeter]

WoW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nice flush Taco !!!!!!!!!

Yo Taco if you want those Texans to grow to be the size of your arm mix: 1gal pasterurized ziplock bag of moo-doo, 1 brick of coir, 1.5 gallons of verm,hydrate to field capacity, finally, 1 of those monster WBS blocks of yours crumbled, put it in a cardbord box lined with plastic, cover with vapor barrier, FAE, mist, and watch out for the fucking explosion cause it'll go BOOM ! in a big way. I would say that you could expand your yield of that WBS spawn by over 10X.

Moo-doo is the BEST commercial doo out there ime, results are awesome see above photo.

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[CoyoteMesc]

Sweet, Nice flush for sure.

[dial8]

So can you post a pic of them actually still attached to the cake?

[thepope]

not really,
Foaf's cam is a digital video camera that also takes stills, but it sucks
He had to get lots of sun and lights just to get this to be visible

He said that he can take a pic of the shrooms still attached that have yet to be picked due to their being undeveloped when the rest were picked

He said he would send the pics later today.....

Also,
Foaf doesn't think that moo-doo is available in his area,
the only poo he could find was Black Kow, and it is quite stinky right out of the bag.... He doesn't want to use this poo in his house, and is surprised that the rest of yall like the poo smell
Or is moo-poo different?

Also,
He can't find cococoir locally either, he had ordered 4 blocks of it from a hydroponic supply, but when it arrived it turned out to be the big chunks of coconut husk made into a brick, instead of the fiber....
He tried using this as a substrate additive, but it didn't seem to work very well

[thepope]

does anyone know of a place on the net that sells cococoir WITH FAST SHIPPING? And at what ratio would you reccommend that it be spawned?

[floppypeter]

yo pope, moo-doo is organic "non-burning" type of manure. Google it to find places that will ship it to your door. It is not available where I am but shipping is cheap. Coir can be found at pet shops in any fairly large town for $5 a brick. You don't have to have poo. You can use coir and verm and WBS alone.
Google bed a beast to find a place that will ship to you.

[Bobcat]

Originally Posted by floppypeter

Moo-doo is the BEST commercial doo out there ime, results are awesome see above photo.

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"commercial" being the key word there. If your going to go through the trouble of mail order, get standard aged poo or composted poo that is actually composted FOR MUSHROOM USE. See mycrotopia.com and sporelab.com. Commercial poos are not good mushroom materials. Coir is, however, and can also be purchased from our sponsors. As well as pet stores, locally.

[doobydoobydoo]

Originally Posted by thepope

Also,
He can't find cococoir locally either, he had ordered 4 blocks of it from a hydroponic supply, but when it arrived it turned out to be the big chunks of coconut husk made into a brick, instead of the fiber....
He tried using this as a substrate additive, but it didn't seem to work very well

You need to hydrate it first. It's just really compressed up. One brick usually makes about 8-9 litres when hydrated with water. I've been hydrating it doubld and triple garbage bags. 1 gallon of water per brick seems to work well for me.

[Freaky]

http://forums.mycotopia.net/showthread.php?t=9358 (Just another way to prep Wild Bird Seed)
a link to the vaults where no-soak has been done.

[thepope]

dooby lol,
He wishes hydrating it were the problem,
but its chopped husk, not finely ground fiber
its a bunch of chunks like 1/2 an inch wide pressed into a brick,
not like what you have pictured there

[doobydoobydoo]

Originally Posted by thepope

dooby lol,
He wishes hydrating it were the problem,
but its chopped husk, not finely ground fiber
its a bunch of chunks like 1/2 an inch wide pressed into a brick,
not like what you have pictured there

ah ha! ok, I thought you were confused how to use it. What an odd way to sell it in big chunks... sorry for jumpin on ya.


Ah, cool Freaky thanks for the link!

[dshak66]

What about all those contaminites?

[thepope]

???????????
dshak

[Bobcat]

Chunky stuff maybe a good verm replacement?

[thepope]

Chunks are about the size of a marble, and pretty tough even when fully expanded, I don't know what should be done with this stuff...

Foaf said, that these texans are a great trip
0.5 g dry gave a 220 pound male nice visuals and no stomach upset,
very smooth and colorful and potent as well, exactly what my foaf is looking for....he found 2/3g to be a full dose for him
Even though these didn't grow nearly as big as his EQ's, B+ and Amazons,
they performed and produced better than either of these, giving a better yield,
both weightwise and dosewise, right from MS innoculation

Thanks topia for the reccomendation,
Foaf would certainly recommend these to anyone,
and strain isolation would certainly make this even better
.... as long as it's legal in your area of course