Panelous fimiputris

kocos · 05-21-07, 09:03

Has anyone ever heard of this specie before? Ive seen it in the wild a few times, growing off manure in pastures, but never payed attention to it, untill yesterday. Upon refreshing my mushroom indentifying skills, i found this mushroom in my book, Panelous fimiputris. The can be found from late spring to early fall. They are also known as P. semiovatus/separatus or Anellaria semiovata. The cap is egg shaped when young and graDUALLy turns into a bell shape as it ages and is aprox1-6 cm in diamater. The stem is a creamcolor, and ranges from 6-10cm in hight. The book clearly states that its light yellow colored flesh contains hallucinogenic alkaloids. Upon searching for Panelous fimiputris i found nothing but Anellaria semiovata brought up a few finds. And some pics. Does anyone know the actives content of this mushroom? Oh and from the pics, its the last two which resemble the ones i found.

dial8 · 05-21-07, 09:15

The last two pics look like the common large Pan found around here except for the veil remnants. Those found around here are not active. Myabe a different shroom though. Sorry I can't help any more than that.

kocos · 05-21-07, 09:19

Ah thanx for the input man. It is a panelous specie atleast the book says it is. Ill take a picture of the book and post that too tomorow. The sick thing is is that ive looked for active mushrooms for so long, and stumbled across these now and again, not knowing that they are infact active. Or atleast said to be. Ill try to gather some more info on them. Everyone elses input is also much apretiated.

Jony 8) · 05-21-07, 09:30

I'v got two nice books i'l chec it for you!

but i would'nt eat such a shroom! Who knows maybe it's a new mutation containing some toxins....

kocos · 05-21-07, 09:45

Hhehe i doubt it man, mushrooms dont just pop out of the blue. Its a well documented mushroom, problem is most of the weblinks are spanish so i dont understand zipp. Keep on searching...

Workman · 05-21-07, 12:05

Although there are a few dubious reports of activity it is considered inactive and edible but of poor quality. But Panaeolus are poorly studied and there is always the possibility of a local strain of a normally inactive species containing enough Psilocin to be considered active (Active pans tend to be high in psilocin, low in psilocybin). I would make it a habit of looking for bluing at the stem base of all pans I came across. Eventually you may find one that blues and you should print it and send it to me for propagation and analysis

. The bluing may be subtle but clearly blue. The mycelium at the stem base is the most likely area that any bluing will be observed. Good luck!

kocos · 05-22-07, 02:52

Thanx for the info Workman, i had a feeling that there is confusion around this mushroom. I beleive that ive tried to indentify this specie since it grew abundantly in certain areas, but the literature i found on the specie clearly stated it being non active. The only reason why i became interested again is of this new book i found which states that flesh of this mushroom has hallucinogenic properties. Ill try and locate a few specimens this year, and ill also try to produce a "clean" wild print. Which i will ofcourse donate to mycotopia and send ur way Workman. Here is a picture of the mushrooms description in this Hungarian book. You can see that it looks a bit different than the ones i atached yesterday, the very left picture where the cap is still egg shaped is the most common form i find them in.

PsychoDrogue · 05-22-07, 08:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by kocos

Hhehe i doubt it man, mushrooms dont just pop out of the blue. Its a well documented mushroom, problem is most of the weblinks are spanish so i dont understand zipp. Keep on searching...

google and a few other search engines have translators for websites or general text. its kinda choppy but it has many languages and you can usually figure out what the page is talking about.

kocos · 05-22-07, 08:24

Cool ill have to look into that, but considering this specie is documented over and over again and there are deviating ideas about its alkaloid content, i would still not be sure if the specie in question is active or not or if at all its the same specie ive found. However if i do manage to locate a specimen this year ill be able to send spores to the pros and find out for sure if the specie in question is active or not. Cheers for the info though i didnt know u could do that.

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05-21-07, 09:03	#1 (permalink)
kocos Mycotopiate Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 851	Panelous fimiputris Has anyone ever heard of this specie before? Ive seen it in the wild a few times, growing off manure in pastures, but never payed attention to it, untill yesterday. Upon refreshing my mushroom indentifying skills, i found this mushroom in my book, Panelous fimiputris. The can be found from late spring to early fall. They are also known as P. semiovatus/separatus or Anellaria semiovata. The cap is egg shaped when young and graDUALLy turns into a bell shape as it ages and is aprox1-6 cm in diamater. The stem is a creamcolor, and ranges from 6-10cm in hight. The book clearly states that its light yellow colored flesh contains hallucinogenic alkaloids. Upon searching for Panelous fimiputris i found nothing but Anellaria semiovata brought up a few finds. And some pics. Does anyone know the actives content of this mushroom? Oh and from the pics, its the last two which resemble the ones i found. Attached Thumbnails

05-21-07, 12:05	#6 (permalink)
Workman Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 578	Although there are a few dubious reports of activity it is considered inactive and edible but of poor quality. But Panaeolus are poorly studied and there is always the possibility of a local strain of a normally inactive species containing enough Psilocin to be considered active (Active pans tend to be high in psilocin, low in psilocybin). I would make it a habit of looking for bluing at the stem base of all pans I came across. Eventually you may find one that blues and you should print it and send it to me for propagation and analysis . The bluing may be subtle but clearly blue. The mycelium at the stem base is the most likely area that any bluing will be observed. Good luck! __________________ I can't believe I get paid for this. Founder of Sporeworks.com 1998 Workman's Mycotopia Gallery

05-22-07, 02:52	#7 (permalink)
kocos Mycotopiate Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 851	Thanx for the info Workman, i had a feeling that there is confusion around this mushroom. I beleive that ive tried to indentify this specie since it grew abundantly in certain areas, but the literature i found on the specie clearly stated it being non active. The only reason why i became interested again is of this new book i found which states that flesh of this mushroom has hallucinogenic properties. Ill try and locate a few specimens this year, and ill also try to produce a "clean" wild print. Which i will ofcourse donate to mycotopia and send ur way Workman. Here is a picture of the mushrooms description in this Hungarian book. You can see that it looks a bit different than the ones i atached yesterday, the very left picture where the cap is still egg shaped is the most common form i find them in. Attached Thumbnails

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05-21-07, 09:15	#2 (permalink)
dial8 Un Undead ***er8tor Join Date: Jun 1976 Posts: 3,172	The last two pics look like the common large Pan found around here except for the veil remnants. Those found around here are not active. Myabe a different shroom though. Sorry I can't help any more than that.

05-21-07, 09:19	#3 (permalink)
kocos Mycotopiate Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 851	Ah thanx for the input man. It is a panelous specie atleast the book says it is. Ill take a picture of the book and post that too tomorow. The sick thing is is that ive looked for active mushrooms for so long, and stumbled across these now and again, not knowing that they are infact active. Or atleast said to be. Ill try to gather some more info on them. Everyone elses input is also much apretiated.

05-21-07, 09:30	#4 (permalink)
Jony 8) Mycophage Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 112	I'v got two nice books i'l chec it for you! but i would'nt eat such a shroom! Who knows maybe it's a new mutation containing some toxins....

05-21-07, 09:45	#5 (permalink)
kocos Mycotopiate Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 851	Hhehe i doubt it man, mushrooms dont just pop out of the blue. Its a well documented mushroom, problem is most of the weblinks are spanish so i dont understand zipp. Keep on searching...

05-22-07, 08:24	#9 (permalink)
kocos Mycotopiate Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 851	Cool ill have to look into that, but considering this specie is documented over and over again and there are deviating ideas about its alkaloid content, i would still not be sure if the specie in question is active or not or if at all its the same specie ive found. However if i do manage to locate a specimen this year ill be able to send spores to the pros and find out for sure if the specie in question is active or not. Cheers for the info though i didnt know u could do that.