what is the difference between panaeolus subbalteatus & panaeolina foenisecii?

[cheshire]

was just wanting to ask what is the difference between panaeolus subbalteatus and panaeolina foenisecii ID wise?

i have some pans that pop up in my garden around this time of year, so should be in the next month,
that look just like the pix you took of the pan subs but iv previously id'd them as bein pan foens
any help on spotting the difference?

[mycobri]

pretty sure these are pan foenisecii
found in a grassy lawn
with a thin white stem, belted cap and dark brown spore print - but no bruising.

Subbalteatus stems should be 'reddish beneath minute whitish fibrils'

[cheshire]

hmm the ones i got growing are pretty similar to both haha.. hmm well they usually start
growing within the month (which will be late spring here) and il be able to proper id

heard of pan foens being active in some area in america.. wonder if in the southern
hemisphere we could find that also

thnx myco

[mjshroomer]

Panaeolina has chocolate brown spore print while Panaeolus subbalteatus has a black spore print.

Panaeolina foenisecii grows in grass on lawns and panaeolus subbalteatus grows mostly in compost heaps, rotted hay hay stacks left out all winter with tarps on them to compost, stable shavings with hay compost, manure heaps and/or sometimes in manured soil but very rare in lawns.

Panaeolus subbalteatus is always psychoactive and Panaeolina foenisecii is never psychoactive.

Read the two papers on both Panaeolus subbalteatus and Panaeolina foenisecii at :

articles

[mycobri]

sure. i don't want you to eat any pan foens by mistake.
heard that they are 'uncomfortable'

goodluck

[cheshire]

oh dear


ty u two

[the_chosen_one]

haha! i just posted this in mj's thread...

http://forums.mycotopia.net/wild-mus...tml#post432722 (Todays Magic Shrooms in Downtown Seattle)

sorry, just tripped over this one