liberty caps? id please...

manhoff-manhoff · 07-23-08, 19:43

well i think it was november '07 when i collected these and took some photographs. i dried them out and left them in a dark place, in an air-tight container with a sack of silica gel in it. i still havent taken them as that was my first time i went to collect so im not 100% sure that these are the real deal!!
one more thing that i noticed is when i took them out a couple of days ago i saw with the shrooms loads of tiny bugs.... if these are liberty's is it safe to consume them with all these bugs or what else can i do?? maybe wash them??

dice4717 · 07-23-08, 20:01

They look like Liberty Caps to me.
Wait for someone else to make sure.
I'm not sure about the bugs though,
what do they look like?

pinwisher · 07-23-08, 20:18

When in doubt, throw them out. I would never eat anything I collected unless I was 110% sure I was not going to kill myself.

Not worth the risk IMHO.

Myc · 07-23-08, 20:25

Very nice!
Did you get a sporeprint to assist in ID?
Spore print is purple-brown
Also this thread might do well in the Wild Mushrooming section
MJ Shroomer is more likely to look there
And can assist you with a more positive ID.

You're obviously intelligent enough to save them rather than chancing it.
Good work.

sangraal · 07-23-08, 20:30

Agreed insofar as they do look like Liberty Caps. However, the insect infestation bothers me. If stored for that amount of time, in an air-tight container, how did they manage to get in? Or perhaps a few eggs may have been caught up in the picking, but to have survived that long under anaerobic, dry conditions?

If they've covered the fruit, I'd toss 'em regardless of identification. If not, are they large enough to make certain of absolute removal, should proper ID be met and you decide to eat 'em?

Alan Rockefeller · 07-23-08, 21:15

I was sure these were going to be something else because of the time of year, but these are actually liberty caps.

Are the bugs alive or dried from before?

Did the bugs cause the mushrooms to rot at all?

Are you a vegetarian?

bigorange420 · 07-23-08, 21:21

Definitely look like the liberty caps I've seen in person. Best experience I've ever had with shrooms was from liberty caps. I also like the fact that you don't have to eat a whole lot, because theyre small. Just hard to find around here IMO.

partially_veiled · 07-23-08, 21:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Rockefeller

Are you a vegetarian?

manhoff-manhoff · 07-23-08, 21:45

thanks for the quick responses guys!!
i was a bit sure that these are liberties but just left them because i wanted someone more experienced to confirm this as well. i didnt take a spore print but loads of spores are fallen in the jar and they look brownish when i put them on a white paper.mushrooms are proper dry though..
as for the insects they are tiny with legs(lol.. i mean they are not worms or fagots) and very much alive!! i dont know if they hallucinate a bit too!!
i tried to photograph some but they are too small and my camera is not as good for such sizes.. just wondering, if i fill the jar with water will they start floating?? and will the water harm the mushrooms?

teesus · 07-24-08, 05:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by manhoff-manhoff

if i fill the jar with water will they start floating?? and will the water harm the mushrooms?

it will solve some of the magic. mabe make a tea

manhoff-manhoff · 07-24-08, 07:37

well i think its better then if i discard the shrooms rather than eating them with all these little insects or try to wash 'em away.... unless someone can give a good advise on hoe to consume them safely!!

god... im so pissed off with those little shits who ate my shrooms!!

maybe next time i collect some i will eat them sooner before they get to that stage...

one more question i have is:
how long can you keep dried shrooms for?

and can someone post some pictures of some deadly or just poisonus liberty caps lookalikes if any??

Myc · 07-24-08, 10:46

Can't really advise as to what the bugs are.
Mites or some other compost lover?

I betcha those little bastards would have a hard time surviving a tea party though!!

http://forums.mycotopia.net/feasts-f...n-tea-tek.html (Lazlo's "Ass Whoopin" tea tek!)

If they were mine
And I had a positive ID
I would ignore the bugs and follow the above tek TO THE LETTER
I imagine the temps would kill the little bastards.

sangraal · 07-25-08, 18:06

Yeah, might as well stew 'em into a tea and strain off thoroughly, a lil' extra protein shouldn't hurt any, anyway.

joluvs2gro · 07-25-08, 18:42

I could swear I have been finding them right here in Mi. almost everyday. I haven't eaten any but I did try to take a spore print and it didn't work. I finally found that had dried and had spores on the bottom so I sterilized them with a 3:1 water/peroxide solution and did the l.c. thing with karo.

the_chosen_one · 07-25-08, 19:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by manhoff-manhoff

one more question i have is:
how long can you keep dried shrooms for?

pretty sure that's semilanceata.. but chances are, after nine months, they are almost worthless. liberty caps only keep for about six months when dried and stored properly. even then they loose quite a bit of potency just drying. fresh is best

manhoff-manhoff · 07-25-08, 20:44

^^^ok mate i'll keep this in mind for future reference!!
i think i'll make them in a tea with some honey and then strain them well, and hopefully i'll get something of them.. although i wasnt sure if these are liberties and thats why i havent eaten them yet, i think its hard to c
onfuse these species with something else.. if they have the nipple, they are long and thin, light gray when picked and found among grass what else could they be?

partially_veiled · 07-25-08, 20:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by manhoff-manhoff

if they have the nipple, they are long and thin, light gray when picked and found among grass what else could they be?

Promiscuous elves showing off some tit? Or was that more of a rhetorical question?

teesus · 07-25-08, 20:56

i agree with everyone else these are semilanceata. they look exactly like semis have to look. have fun!

manhoff-manhoff · 07-26-08, 06:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by partially_veiled

Promiscuous elves showing off some tit?

yeah, thats for sure!!!

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07-23-08, 19:43	#1 (permalink)
manhoff-manhoff Mycophiliac Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 6	liberty caps? id please... well i think it was november '07 when i collected these and took some photographs. i dried them out and left them in a dark place, in an air-tight container with a sack of silica gel in it. i still havent taken them as that was my first time i went to collect so im not 100% sure that these are the real deal!! one more thing that i noticed is when i took them out a couple of days ago i saw with the shrooms loads of tiny bugs.... if these are liberty's is it safe to consume them with all these bugs or what else can i do?? maybe wash them??

07-23-08, 20:01	#2 (permalink)
dice4717 Just a Stoner Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 734	They look like Liberty Caps to me. Wait for someone else to make sure. I'm not sure about the bugs though, what do they look like? __________________ Id like to live beneath the dirt, a tiny space to move and breath is all that i would ever need.(Phish)

07-23-08, 20:30	#5 (permalink)
sangraal Gnowledge in Gnature Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 434	Agreed insofar as they do look like Liberty Caps. However, the insect infestation bothers me. If stored for that amount of time, in an air-tight container, how did they manage to get in? Or perhaps a few eggs may have been caught up in the picking, but to have survived that long under anaerobic, dry conditions? If they've covered the fruit, I'd toss 'em regardless of identification. If not, are they large enough to make certain of absolute removal, should proper ID be met and you decide to eat 'em? __________________ "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the mind to correlate all of it's contents." -H.P. Lovecraft

07-25-08, 18:06	#13 (permalink)
sangraal Gnowledge in Gnature Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 434	Yeah, might as well stew 'em into a tea and strain off thoroughly, a lil' extra protein shouldn't hurt any, anyway. __________________ "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the mind to correlate all of it's contents." -H.P. Lovecraft

07-23-08, 20:18	#3 (permalink)
pinwisher Mycophiliac Join Date: Jul 1972 Posts: 53	When in doubt, throw them out. I would never eat anything I collected unless I was 110% sure I was not going to kill myself. Not worth the risk IMHO.

07-23-08, 20:25	#4 (permalink)
Myc El Jardinero Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,175	Very nice! Did you get a sporeprint to assist in ID? Spore print is purple-brown Also this thread might do well in the Wild Mushrooming section MJ Shroomer is more likely to look there And can assist you with a more positive ID. You're obviously intelligent enough to save them rather than chancing it. Good work.

07-23-08, 21:15	#6 (permalink)
Alan Rockefeller Mycologist Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 336	I was sure these were going to be something else because of the time of year, but these are actually liberty caps. Are the bugs alive or dried from before? Did the bugs cause the mushrooms to rot at all? Are you a vegetarian?

07-23-08, 21:21	#7 (permalink)
bigorange420 StoneR Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 142	Definitely look like the liberty caps I've seen in person. Best experience I've ever had with shrooms was from liberty caps. I also like the fact that you don't have to eat a whole lot, because theyre small. Just hard to find around here IMO.

07-23-08, 21:45	#9 (permalink)
manhoff-manhoff Mycophiliac Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 6	thanks for the quick responses guys!! i was a bit sure that these are liberties but just left them because i wanted someone more experienced to confirm this as well. i didnt take a spore print but loads of spores are fallen in the jar and they look brownish when i put them on a white paper.mushrooms are proper dry though.. as for the insects they are tiny with legs(lol.. i mean they are not worms or fagots) and very much alive!! i dont know if they hallucinate a bit too!! i tried to photograph some but they are too small and my camera is not as good for such sizes.. just wondering, if i fill the jar with water will they start floating?? and will the water harm the mushrooms?

07-24-08, 07:37	#11 (permalink)
manhoff-manhoff Mycophiliac Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 6	well i think its better then if i discard the shrooms rather than eating them with all these little insects or try to wash 'em away.... unless someone can give a good advise on hoe to consume them safely!! god... im so pissed off with those little shits who ate my shrooms!! maybe next time i collect some i will eat them sooner before they get to that stage... one more question i have is: how long can you keep dried shrooms for? and can someone post some pictures of some deadly or just poisonus liberty caps lookalikes if any??

07-24-08, 10:46	#12 (permalink)
Myc El Jardinero Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,175	Can't really advise as to what the bugs are. Mites or some other compost lover? I betcha those little bastards would have a hard time surviving a tea party though!! http://forums.mycotopia.net/feasts-f...n-tea-tek.html (Lazlo's "Ass Whoopin" tea tek!) If they were mine And I had a positive ID I would ignore the bugs and follow the above tek TO THE LETTER I imagine the temps would kill the little bastards.

07-25-08, 18:42	#14 (permalink)
joluvs2gro Mycophage Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 108	I could swear I have been finding them right here in Mi. almost everyday. I haven't eaten any but I did try to take a spore print and it didn't work. I finally found that had dried and had spores on the bottom so I sterilized them with a 3:1 water/peroxide solution and did the l.c. thing with karo.

07-25-08, 20:44	#16 (permalink)
manhoff-manhoff Mycophiliac Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 6	^^^ok mate i'll keep this in mind for future reference!! i think i'll make them in a tea with some honey and then strain them well, and hopefully i'll get something of them.. although i wasnt sure if these are liberties and thats why i havent eaten them yet, i think its hard to c onfuse these species with something else.. if they have the nipple, they are long and thin, light gray when picked and found among grass what else could they be?

07-25-08, 20:56	#18 (permalink)
teesus teetimer Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 215	i agree with everyone else these are semilanceata. they look exactly like semis have to look. have fun!

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