non-blue bruise psychoactive shrooms?

[Irishlion]

These make a purple-black spore print and were growing on wood chips along the road in San Jose...hmm, dunno if my picture uploaded correctly. I'll submit this and check it. Anyway, these fungal fruits don't bruise blue
but I believe that there are psychoactive panaeolus that don't bruise blue, too. Anyone have a good idea as to what these are...uh, providing the picture shows up...

I had some serious stomach cramps (and stuff) after eating these. They were real tasty and there's always a possibility that it was something else that I ate which caused my GI distress.
A week or so earlier I enjoyed the little muscaria. That was also a first for me..it was kind of a cool experience.
I love this weather! The bay area is supposed to get even more rain tonight! Woo-Hoo!!

[bigorange420]

It wasn't really a great idea to go eating that without identifying man.. If it doesn't bruise blue that's a bad sign

[warriorsoul]

Pans dont grow on wood.

[Lazlo]

Even if it did bruise blue, that's not a means to go eating it! Wow man, don't ever do that again.

[Mermaidia]

Lucky for you, you didn't kill yourself.

[duaut]

That was not smart!!!

Liver damage can come a week later after consuming poisonous shrooms.
Then the damage is done and it's too late to do anything.

How foolish can a child be...

[greenie]

those are not cyanofriscosas.

[mjshroomer]

Originally Posted by kozmoe

These make a purple-black spore print and were growing on wood chips along the road in San Jose...hmm, dunno if my picture uploaded correctly. I'll submit this and check it. Anyway, these fungal fruits don't bruise blue
but I believe that there are psychoactive panaeolus that don't bruise blue, too. Anyone have a good idea as to what these are...uh, providing the picture shows up...

Those are a species of Stropharia that have a purple dark spore print.

Stropharias are a genus of inedible shrooms. Why would you endanger your life by eating a mushroom you found and did not knwo that it was.

And GREENIE, he did not say they were cyanofriscosa. nd there are other species in San Jose besides P. cyanofriscosa (P. cyanescens, P. stuntzii, etc).

While Panaeolus subbalteatus sometimes grows in topsoils with woodchips, Panaeolus does not grow from the chips, But prefers fertilized manured soils where woodchips were laid over.

Panaeolus species are dung inhabiting.

Stropharia is a genus of mushrooms, of which many resemble Psilocybe cubensis.

Stropharia’s have a purple brown spore deposit.

Panaeolus do not.

Panaeolus have a black print and do not stain purple.

Here are six photo images of three species of Stropharia. The first four images are the same species as you have posted above: Stropharia’s pictured here directly below can be found in mulched wood chipped garden beds in woods, in deciduous woods, etc.

Other Stropharia species can be found in Manured soil and even in manure in pastures. No need to post a lot.








And yes there are Stropharia species that are naturally a blue green color and in drying will also change to a straw-yellow with greenish blue tones such as this iamge of Stropharia aeruginosa from a public park in Seattle. However, they do not stain this color. It is natural.



And this intense blue colored Stropharia caerulea or possibly Stropharia pseudocyanea and
this Stropharia is blue like you see naturally.



And, while there are approximately 200 known species of psilocybian fungi, not all of them stain blue unless they are intensely damaged by human handling or from natural elements such as wind or rain damage.

Also, the blue staining reaction is the escape of psilocine from the mushrooms after handling and the less you handle or squeeze the mushroom when picking it, the more psilocybine and psilocine it will retain.

Now one of the most popular magic mushrooms in the world is Psilocybes semilanceata (Liberty caps). Those mushrooms hardly ever blue, but damaging then by squeezing thier stems will cause some bluingf or handling thenm roughly will cause a bluing action to occur.

Some species like P. cyanescens, P, baeocystis (called Blue Fuckers in the PNW) and P. azurescens, stain blue very heavily when handled lightly, usually within minutes.

Blue ringers (P. stuntzii, P. fimetaria and P. sierrae), all have a blue ring in most collections from when the cap opened up and cause damage to the veil and therefore leaves a blue ring around the stem where it separated from cap opening/

Stropharia species are not psychoactive and contain no psilocybine or psilocine whatsoever.

However, Psilocybe cubensis was originally first reported from Cuba in 1904 by Earle and named as Stropharia cubensis Earle.

Two years later, the same mushrooms (Stropharia cubensis) was collected in the Gulf of Tonkin (Hanoi, Vietnam) by a French mycologist named Patouliard who, unaware of Earle's specimens named the mushroom as Naematoloma caerulescens.

In 1941, a mycologist named Murrill (who also discovered P. caerulescens in Alabama in 1924), named the cube as Stropharia cyanescens.

Finally in the 1950s, Mycologist Rolf Singer renamed the Cuban specimens as, Psilocybe cubensis (Earle) Singer. And so it remains as a Psilocybe. However, many European mycologists refer to it as a Stropharia

Also similar but with chocolate-brown to a reddish chocolate brown print are the edible species belonging to the genus Agaricus such as Agaricus arvensis, Agaricus campestris, related to the common button mushrooms sold in the supermarkets.

They look like cubensis at times in the earth and grown in manured soil and macroscopuically can look like Panaeolus subbalteatus in the drying stages. However they are differentiated from the black-spored Panaolus by the Agaricus reddish-brown spores.

mjshroomer

[SunShine47]

Damn, I hope your okay man. But like everyone said, you should not eat a mushroom without first identifying it man. Hope you reply with good health.

[greenie]

i said they are not cyanofriscosas as that is the only mushroom i would imagine him looking for this time of year in san jose

[kozmoe]

Thank-you all so much for replying. The caring nature of this group is really way cool...uhh...so is Hippie's picture on the 1st screen...wow..but I digress...

Anyway, I am fine. I didn't eat any of the shrooms that I asked help with ID'ing. I became ill after eating the Boletes. My understanding is that they are pretty safe/easy to ID, so maybe it was just a coincidence?? I guess that I've been lucky. I've found wild, on my own, and consumed without problems: shaggy manes, agaricus campestris, puff balls, brown crimini and the A. muscaria one time.

I've grown cubies (B+) but keeping trich out of the jars has been kicking my butt; I've gotten much better technique now, but it's tough to get innoculate sent here..So I still look for wild ones. I know it's nuts, but I justify it by telling myself that everyone has to have a hobby.

Thank-you all, again.

[greenie]

there are old mushroomers and there are bold mushroomers, but there are not old bold mushroomers.

[joluvs2gro]

Kozmoe, if you have your own syringe, I will send you a couple of good spore prints. You have to promise not to eat anymore wild grown mushrooms ever again though, ever. You also have to promise to use sterile techniques and be absolutely anal about it. I am not going to waist my prints on somebody that doesn't take things seriously. I am betting that if you are running into contaminates it's because you are not flaming your needle inbetween jars, YOU HAVE TO FLAME THE NEEDLE RED HOT INBETWEEN JARS, have to. You can build a generic glove box out of a cardboard box and some saranwrap. I will post a picture of one I did, it does work too.

[dial8]

As you can see in the pic posted above by mj that there is a galerina in the mix which is pointed out by a red arrow. You go to picking and eating like you have been you are eventually going to get one of these bad boys and it will be very bad news for you, my friend. Please take heed to everything that has been said above. Dont eat what you cannot id.

I hope I did not restate anything mj did in his reply. I just skimmed through that post pretty fast looking for the word "galarina". I just can't read in detail lengthy replies at the moment. Thank you though, mj. You always post much knowledge!

[kozmoe]

Thank-you for taking the time to put together such an enlightening response. I've re-read it several times and still pick up something new, each time. -nice pix, too. I presume that you live, or have spent some time in, Washington. The season for wild shrooming is much shorter, here, and we are in the midst of it. Thanks again for your concern. I was surprised by my reaction to the Boletes; but maybe it was something else I ate?? Anyway, I will check with someone who knows, before I try a new mushie, again.

[Alan Rockefeller]

The first mushroom you posted is Leratiomyces percevalii.
It is the most common mushroom found in California in wood chips in the spring. Its probably not toxic but its also not commonly eaten.

The second mushroom you posted is a Suillus. None of those are toxic but some people are allergic to them. Did you remove the cuticle before eating it?

The third mushroom you posted is Amanita amerimuscaria.

The people who expressed concern about you eating random mushrooms are being overcautious, assuming that you knew it was a Suillus before you ate it. If you didn't know that, then they are right.

It would help to have some more pictures to get a better idea of which Suillus species gave you problems. How did you cook them?

[SunShine47]

It's good that you have replied in good health. (Sigh)

[kozmoe]

No, I didn't know it was a Suillus so it appears I'm not just reckless and lucky, but also allergic to this type of mushroom. No, I did some thinning on my photos and deleted the other pix of this Bolete. -"...remove the cuticle..."um, oops?? Sliced it up and sauteed in butter with a pinch of salt and splash of Marsala. (gastro distress notwithstanding - gotta say it was delicious!) Yeah, I feel like a dope.

Thanks for getting back to me about it.

[kozmoe]

Thank-you SunShine47...I love the love in this community.

[Alan Rockefeller]

I didn't know it was a Suillus so it appears I'm not just reckless and lucky, but also allergic to this type of mushroom

Next time post some pictures of the mushrooms here before you eat them.

You could try Suillus again if you peel off the top of the cap, that is where a lot of the slime is.