Could it be Fimetaria... ?

[ethnobotanica]

Hi Y'all,
I found these little guys while out in the cow field's on sunday.
The pics where they are yellow is where they were drying out a bit when picked.

It's been quite warm and dry. Getting wet in a couple days though.

The darker ones are where i soaked them in water, re-hydrating them.

Definite ID points:

-translucent striated margin

-spore purple-brown

-umbo

-gelatinous pellicle

-gills are not proerly adnate like semi's but more attached as you can see.


Are these more semiglobata's? Colour of wet cap has me confused. I am pretty damn sure they are not lib's because of the gill shape and the colour when dry.

I'm sure there a member of the psilo family though, just not sure about activity.
I want to believe that they might be fimetaria

Once I wet them i looked online at pics and the closest looking things were fimetaria and atrobrunnea.(probly just merdaria or coprophila or some other in-active. lol )

With the points that ive ticked off, would it be safe to do a bio-assay??

Can anyone tell what they are from my less than perfect phone pics?

Cheers

[ethnobotanica]

Here's a cut away gill shot.

Could they be strictipes?

[ethnobotanica]

I did as good a search online for any lookalikes as I could, then confidently ate about half a gram of these.

They are active

Only slightly though, bit of body buzz and subtle perception changes.

I reckon they are strictipes.

Guna go get more after the next rain.

[paph]

Nice find bro!

[ethnobotanica]

Cheers Paph

[mjshroomer]

They are not P. strictipes or P. fimetaria, what is really strange are the gills/plates are very widespread apart.

The caps resemble more of a stropharia, closely S. semiglobata, especially in the yellow straw colored stage but the brownish suggest a Psilocybe, but both families are somewhat related as they arwe both members of the agaricaceae..

P. Fimetaria grow in manure in pastures and in lawns in cities.

P. fimetaria look like blue ringers and the caps are different than those in your photos.

P. strictipes looks like shorter liberty caps and was originally known as P. callosa in Europe and misidentified in America for over 42 years by mycologist Rolf SInger who id'ed the strictipes and similar to P. baeocystis.

BUt the gills do not look like any species of the active Psilocybes.

mjshroomer

And it is not P. strictipes or P. fimetaria.

Images of both can be seen at:

http://www.mushroomjohn.org/species.htm

have a shroomy day

[Alan Rockefeller]

I did as good a search online for any lookalikes as I could, then confidently ate about half a gram of these.

They are active

Only slightly though, bit of body buzz and subtle perception changes.

You shouldn't eat mushrooms until you know exactly what they are. The lighter colored ones are Stropharia semiglobata. The darker colored ones are something else, better pictures are needed. The darker ones may be in Psilocybe.

Stropharia semiglobata is not active, but you wouldn't be the first person to report some drug-like effects from eating fresh, raw Stropharia.

I encourage you to eat some more (of the lighter colored ones) and see if its just placebo or if they really have some effect.

The darker ones may be P. fimitaria but there are a lot of other things that they are more likely to be. Better pictures are needed in any case.

[ethnobotanica]

Alan!,..John! Where have you guys been?!??

Thanks for the feedback guys. Exactly the 2 opinions I was waiting for.

Your right Alan, I should be more careful but i really did do a thorough search for anything poisonous with purple prints, the only things that came up were hypholoma and I'm sure they are not them. I considered all the possible species and was sure they were at worst stroph. semigl.

Also, apologies as I was using stamets book as ref as well and he has the stroph semi in the psilo genus. I'm assumming this has been changed officially.

As it goes the darker one's are the same as the yellow one's. That is what I was trying to explain. I had re-hyrated a couple of the larger caps. These became olive/brown with the light coloured umbo. I even hydrated a small cap later to double check, it to turned the same olive/ brown colour and had same viscid cap and purple print. (sorry, no pics, you'll have to trust me).
Also, i think camera angle affected the colour appearance as the caps flat on the paper are the same as the darker one on the stem. (I took the pic on stem then cut and placed on paper to get better pic.)

I should point out that these were all picked in one clump and were all identical in appearance, just varying in size.

Oh yeah, and they were found at the bottom of a south facing hill cow pasture, next to a path amongst the grass and nettles. So a manure enriched grassy habitat. Not growing directly on manure. Nothing on cow patties in field anywhere except for the odd orangey, conocybe- like mushroom. ( dont worry Alan, I wont test my luck with any of those )

What is going on here?!? Are stroph semi's ever that colour when fresh and wet?
Could they be p. merdaria ?

Your right about those gills MJ, they are well confusing.

Weather forecast says rain any day now, am going to go back a day or 2 after a good soak and try to get enough for a proper bio-assay.

If they are properly active should i send a print to someone to get proper ID? How would I go about this? I have not had this task before.

Cheers

PS-MJ, I can't find a pic for strictipes on your page.

[ethnobotanica]

I'll have a better camera for the next trip to the field.

Am going to go for it on the bio-assay if I find more. I'm still hopeful that there is something proper active's in that field though. It is known to produce semi's.

[mjshroomer]

By the way, there are six species of Hypholoma that are psychoactive.

Where are you located?

What state?

[ethnobotanica]

I'm in the UK.

Man, I didn't know hypholoma had active species, cheers for that tidbit of info MJ

Which ones? Any over my way?

[ethnobotanica]

Just did a little searching and found these images, they do bear a similarity to what I picked.

http://www.stridvall.se/fungi/gallery/Hypholoma/SV04_135

http://www.stridvall.se/fungi/galler...loma/SV04_132a

can't find much info on them though.

Do they have a gel cap? Are these active hypholoma's?

[Alan Rockefeller]

Your right Alan, I should be more careful but i really did do a thorough search for anything poisonous with purple prints, the only things that came up were hypholoma and I'm sure they are not them.

I did the same search and came to the same conclusion. The only dangerously toxic mushroom with a purple print is Hypholoma fasciculare, and its not often eaten because its quite bitter.

Also, apologies as I was using stamets book as ref as well and he has the stroph semi in the psilo genus. I'm assumming this has been changed officially.

His decision to include so much of Stropharia in Psilocybe was rather silly.

As it goes the darker one's are the same as the yellow one's. That is what I was trying to explain. I had re-hyrated a couple of the larger caps. These became olive/brown with the light coloured umbo. I even hydrated a small cap later to double check, it to turned the same olive/ brown colour and had same viscid cap and purple print. (sorry, no pics, you'll have to trust me).

I can't imagine a Stropharia getting that dark upon rehydration.

What is going on here?!? Are stroph semi's ever that colour when fresh and wet?
Could they be p. merdaria ?

Maybe P. coprophila.

[ethnobotanica]

I took the chance because I know my sulpher tufts (hyph. fascilure). Have founds loads of them both in PNW and back home in the UK. They are so cool looking, they actually have a very psilo "look" to them. The bitterness is unmistakeable. A proper fair warning not to eat them.

I keep looking at coprophila pics and it just don't seem right, I can't find any that show more than a slight umbo. A couple of these had quite pronounced one's.Can see any with the same colour's as the attached pic.

The stems are all wrong as well, too short.

The pic re-shown here is the one that is keeping me guessing.

The rain that was promised hasn't come so still waiting to go find more.

On the activity. I had considered if it was placebo but I did get the "neck crawling" yawn on the on-set.

Ive never had this in previous "placebo effect" incidences.

I suppose the only sure-fire way to know is with a microscope eh..?

[ethnobotanica]

"Maybe P. coprophila."

Probably that or p. merdaria, still guna eat a gram or two, or more, if I find more though.

A foaf would like to try cultivating them if they really do hold enough potency to make it worthwhile.

Heck, even if it took an 1/8th or more to get a proper effect it would still be cool to be having a trip on a supposed inactive

[Alan Rockefeller]

Heck, even if it took an 1/8th or more to get a proper effect it would still be cool to be having a trip on a supposed inactive

Yes that would be quite a discovery.

The pics you posted just now don't really look like Stropharia. They don't get that walnut/caramel shade of brown.

I think you have a mixed collection, with maybe some P. semilanceata or P. strictipes.

[ethnobotanica]

Well, there were little showers all week so I got on the bus and headed out to the fields this morning. Found all sorts but most importantly the suspect psilocybe was everywhere!

A correction to be made, these grow directly on old dung, i didnt see it in the long grass last time.

Got a load of pics for you all to check out, its my mates birthday so we're guna have a go with these and see where we get

[ethnobotanica]

Also found these.

These blue stropharia things. Cyanea ??

Some big white pink/brown gilled, brown print. Edible ??

And some parasol looking thingys.

..oh yeah, and some very dark panaeolus. Campanulatus ??

All in all a very good day out. Rained a bit , then i found them all.

[ethnobotanica]

oops, here's the pics....

[ethnobotanica]

I think that the first time out a couple of something actives made it into that little bunch. i must have got it wrong with the 2 larger ones I reckon.

Have eaten 12 fresh grams from second batch and don't feel anything. I ate 1/2 gram dry last time.

I'm sure that these are coprophila.

Am wondering if the fruiting temps are a bit higher for coprophila. It has been quite mild, from 16 - 9 C. One night last week went to 2 c. Which means I would have missed anything that fruited then.

If there are strictipes or libs out there, would they possibly wait for colder wetter spells to "take their turn" ? Does that make sense ??

[Alan Rockefeller]

Have eaten 12 fresh grams from second batch and don't feel anything. I ate 1/2 gram dry last time.

Thanks for trying.

Am wondering if the fruiting temps are a bit higher for coprophila.

Yea they fruit all the time.

[ethnobotanica]

How cold does it actually need to be to get Lib's fruiting??

I heard that it was 15-0 C.

Can some area's not start fruiting til its solidly in the lower half of that range??