panaleous sp.??????

[Redlocks]

found these out front of my workplace lol. beautiful site as there was a huge planter with mulch just about filled. lol. but yeah i think they might be panaleous, and i was reading and anellaria i think was another possibility. any thoughts. spore prints coming by the end of the day.

[Redlocks]

dont know why that failed to upload. here

[ethnobotanica]

Would you be able to wet a couple caps to see what they look like fresh?

You just put a cap on its "back" in a cup of water for 10-20 minutes.

[ethnobotanica]

If all of those drop a black spore print then I'd say they might be pan. cinct. ( subb ).
There is a couple in your pics with more striated margins which I'm sure isnt a feature on pans.
Is that blueing at the bases of some of those? ..and at the top of the stem on some??
..or is it just the camera?

Which part of the world were these found in ??

[Redlocks]

the pictures were taken maybe 40 minutes most after they were picked. would a shot of the ones left standing and not picked help? and just for future reference does the watercup rehydrating thing really brign em back to life that well? ive just never heard of it, it's interesting

[Alan Rockefeller]

Psathyrella. Panaeolus does not grow on wood chips.

[ethnobotanica]

Originally Posted by Alan Rockefeller

Psathyrella. Panaeolus does not grow on wood chips.

..unless it has been mixed with manure.

[mycowarrier]

Looks like Psathyrella foenisecci [lawn mowers mushroom] If it is it is eatable and may be mildly active. The cracking cap and dark purple-brown spores is consistant with the foenisecci.

[Redlocks]

i was going to suggest that, the mulch isnt the average garden variety mulch, again im not sure which brand or kind it is, but its very dark, and im pretty sure it is fertilizer mixed. i had been reading that panaleous cyanescens can also present with a cracked cap in age. the spore prints are extremely dark for the ones that hadnt dropped the spores yet. they did resemble psytharella but the psytharellas seemed lighter in color.

[mycowarrier]

If they are Pan Cyans you would def see bluing If you pinch the stipe of a fresh one. "Cyanescens" means something like turning bluish.

[mjshroomer]

Originally Posted by Alan Rockefeller

Psathyrella. Panaeolus does not grow on wood chips.

Yes Alan,

Panaeolus subbateatus does grow where woodchips are. They come in with the top soil or the spores are in fertilizers sprayed into wood chipped gardens. I have picked them in Seattle over the years. Here is one from the University district on the campus of the U of Washington.

Even P. cubensis has been grown on wood chips a few tinmes in recent years, but manured rotted hay, manure and manured soil are still their primary habitats. and here are pictures from woodchipped gardens with subbs,



and three from one of the flower mulched bed boxes along the stairway to the tunnel of Seattle's Metro by the Paramount Theater.







mjshroomer

[mjshroomer]

Originally Posted by mycowarrier

Looks like Psathyrella foenisecci [lawn mowers mushroom] If it is it is eatable and may be mildly active. The cracking cap and dark purple-brown spores is consistant with the foenisecci.

Panaeolina foenisecii Maire, also known as Psilocybe foenisecii, Psathyrella, forenisecii and Panaeolus foenisecii is not mildly active and never has been. Those notes from field guides were copied from papers written in the early 1969s and were the results of false positives.

Some were made by French noted mycologiist G-M Ola'h, and later by Tyler and Robbers and a few European mycologists.

And also, P. foenisecii only grows in grass on lawns, never in fields or meadows. That is why it is call the haymaker's mushroom, it is strickly a lawn mushroom, however, Alan correctly identified the mushrooms as Psathyrella species and I concur with his identification of the species as a Psathyrella.

Affitionally, mulch is not ever mixed with manure. Landscappers oftern place manured top soil into the earth and then overlay it with wood chips in the PNW, hence the rare pasture mushrooms, P. stuntzii, P. fimetaria, P. sierrae, and P. baeocystis are found in both lawns and cross over habitats of wood chips.

mjshroomer

[mjshroomer]

Originally Posted by mycowarrier

If they are Pan Cyans you would def see bluing If you pinch the stipe of a fresh one. "Cyanescens" means something like turning bluish.

cyanescens implies of bluing, Has bluing, not turning blue. cyan is latin for blue, as is caeulian, and other tones used in identifying species with blue oxidations. And azure for the light blue tones on the caps of p. azurescens and in honor of Stamet's son Azure. Gartz stole this species in naming it along with stamet when for more than ten years it had been known locally to resident pickers in Eastern Oregon as Psilocybe astoriensis. I do note that Gartz gave me kudos for help in collecting the species he used in his paper on the taxonomy, chemistry and naming of the species in Eleusis Journal published by Giorgio Samorini.

mjshroomer