ID: Ps. Semilanceata, Ps. strictipes... Or something else?

jason_ · 11-07-09, 08:24

Hello all-

Was out yesterday for my first attempt at finding some Ps. semilanceata. Since I'm from the southern US, I'm not so well versed in these... I can spot a cubensis at 100m, but well these little guys are new to me. So, asking for some positive ID on what I did find yesterday. Some background info: These were found in central France in a grassy field where there once were cows, but at the moment it stands empty. They popped up after about a week of rain and a big drop in temperature (Currently about 5-10ºc during the day).

Other than that I'm not so sure these are actually Ps. semilanceata, as they do very a bit from the photos I have seen. I believe the environment and conditions are correct for Ps. semilanceata but most of these specimens do seem to lack the really obvious papilla and a seem to have a more convex to subumbonate cap than what I had expected to find with semilanceata. Also, I do not notice any obvious bluing in these specimens... So, what's the verdict? Are these possibly Ps. strictipes, or am I way off track here?

More info:
Cap size ranging from 1cm to around 3cm -Convex to subumbonate
Stem length anywhere from 3 to 10 cm long, stringy/fibrous.
Some specimens were very slimy/moist
Stipe is bare
Spore print deep purple

Hope that's enough info- any specific questions, please ask!

Thanks in advance,
Jason

teesus · 11-07-09, 08:46

those resemble P.semilanceata. fresh semilanceatas don't bruise easy. check the base of the dryed stems for blueing.

paph · 11-07-09, 10:16

Do they have a stretchy,transparent pellicle (skin?), This is more easily noticeable when wet.

jason_ · 11-07-09, 10:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by paph

Do they have a stretchy,transparent pellicle (skin?), This is more easily noticeable when wet.

I'm not sure. These were fairly dry when I found them- quite fresh, though there was about two days of sunshine and dry weather after the rainfall. I did notice some sliminess on some of the stems, which I thought could have been the remnants of the gelatinous pellicle. I really can't say for sure though. I've taken another look at the caps just now, and I can't notice anything- but then again they have been drying for about 24 hours now.

-Jason

Dr.Hallucination. · 11-07-09, 11:04

Any chance of giving a rough location as to where you founds these?ie Eastern/Western Canada,England/Scotland?
I do not think they are P.semilanceata,the gill color is kind of off,as well as that spore print color,it may just be from the photographs though?,I could be wrong,but I am pretty sure they are not.Take a look through my thread and compare your findings.
http://forums.mycotopia.net/wild-mus...ilanceata.html (Psilocybe semilanceata.)

Dr.Hallucination. · 11-07-09, 11:09

Did the stems just snap,or were they fairly bendable?You can almost tie a P.semilanceata stem in a knot.This is a good indicator of being a semilanceata,that and the pellicle as paph has mentioned.

jason_ · 11-07-09, 11:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr.Hallucination.

Any chance of giving a rough location as to where you founds these?ie Eastern/Western Canada,England/Scotland?

I found these in central France (Limousin), in a low-lying field where there were cows in past years.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr.Hallucination.

I do not think they are P.semilanceata,the gill color is kind of off,as well as that spore print color

The print is a deep purple color...

As I mentioned I have my doubts as well. Though I have also seen photos of 'anomolies' in regards to semis; eg. the cap color or shape is different than those normally seen. I did read your thread (great photos BTW) this morning before I made my post which partially added to my doubts... What I found does appear to be different from your findings, though they do match what others have found and reported to be semis.

Still, there are quite a few of your photos which match quite closely... just to pick one: this one seems to very closely mirror what I saw in the field. However just a bit further down I see a lot of photos which look like this which are actually quite different than the ones I found.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr.Hallucination

Did the stems just snap,or were they fairly bendable?You can almost tie a P.semilanceata stem in a knot.This is a good indicator of being a semilanceata,that and the pellicle as paph has mentioned.

That may help actually... the stems do seem to be more brittle than that. In fact, many times during harvesting, the stipe would break if I wasn't careful and a large part would be left poking out of the ground. Though there were others that come up easily with a bit of mycellium attached. I may have to take another trip back to the field tomorrow if it's sunny to see if I can find some new specimens to have a better idea about the pellicle.

Any other ideas? What's the verdict, I'm still pretty unsure...

Anyone have any ideas about weather these could be Ps. strictipes? It seems that may be a closer match. There's a really great thread at the shr****y comparing Ps. semilanceata to Ps. strictipes (photos comparing cap shape, gill structure, etc.), but I'm not sure if I can post a link there... Is that allowed?

-Jason

Dr.Hallucination. · 11-07-09, 11:52

I agree with you completely jason_,I have seen semilanceata in so many shapes sizes and colors its ridiculous,which is why they can be quite difficult to identify from a photo.

greenie · 11-07-09, 22:41

they really look like liberty caps to me... do the caps fade to a lighter tan as they dry?

mjshroomer · 11-07-09, 23:03

Those are definitely P. strictipes/

mjshroomer1

jason_ · 11-08-09, 04:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjshroomer

Those are definitely P. strictipes.

Definitely? How definite is definite?!? Do I need to set up a poll, it seems like the votes are split! Does P. strictipes also have the gelatinous pellicle?

In any event, can we agree at least that if my cat eats a few to test the waters, he's not gonna go feet up in the air? Are there any dangerous look-alikes I need to rule out first? What's a recommended starting dose (he's 68kg)? Yeah, I know he's a pretty big cat.

Thanks again for all the responses everyone.

-Jason

paph · 11-08-09, 14:21

The dose for P. Strictipes would be the same as P. Semilanceata:
20-30= 2/3g of P.Cubensis.
I have had mild effects from as little as 5-7 fresh mushrooms.

If you are going to eat them just eat a few to start with, Just to be safe.

Always remember that eating any wild mushroom carries a risk.

ethnobotanica · 11-08-09, 14:55

Nice find

Irishlion · 11-08-09, 15:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjshroomer

Those are definitely P. strictipes/

mjshroomer1

Considering MJ is a LONG standing Mycologist with LOTS of expereince I would ventrue to say when he says diffently, that he means he is 100% sure those are P. strictipes

ethnobotanica · 11-08-09, 18:04

They look like every pic of strictipes that I have seen.

I would eat anything that MJ told me was safe.

He knows his stuff.

jason_ · 11-18-09, 06:22

Hi All-

Thanks for all the responces everyone! I have made some prints of these specimins at ethnobotanica's request, so if anyone else who has posted in this thread would like a sample to study please use the handy inter-dimensional PM system and drop me a line. Prints are on the house, but please remember they are wild prints and will likely take some 'cleaning' before use...

-Jason

ethnobotanica · 11-18-09, 08:58

Excellent! Nice one J

Peace bro

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11-07-09, 08:24	#1 (permalink)
jason_ Dirty South Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 164	ID: Ps. Semilanceata, Ps. strictipes... Or something else? Hello all- Was out yesterday for my first attempt at finding some Ps. semilanceata. Since I'm from the southern US, I'm not so well versed in these... I can spot a cubensis at 100m, but well these little guys are new to me. So, asking for some positive ID on what I did find yesterday. Some background info: These were found in central France in a grassy field where there once were cows, but at the moment it stands empty. They popped up after about a week of rain and a big drop in temperature (Currently about 5-10ºc during the day). Other than that I'm not so sure these are actually Ps. semilanceata, as they do very a bit from the photos I have seen. I believe the environment and conditions are correct for Ps. semilanceata but most of these specimens do seem to lack the really obvious papilla and a seem to have a more convex to subumbonate cap than what I had expected to find with semilanceata. Also, I do not notice any obvious bluing in these specimens... So, what's the verdict? Are these possibly Ps. strictipes, or am I way off track here? More info: Cap size ranging from 1cm to around 3cm -Convex to subumbonate Stem length anywhere from 3 to 10 cm long, stringy/fibrous. Some specimens were very slimy/moist Stipe is bare Spore print deep purple Hope that's enough info- any specific questions, please ask! Thanks in advance, Jason Attached Thumbnails __________________ γνῶθι σεαυτόν Generosity is the virtue which produces peace.

11-07-09, 11:04	#5 (permalink)
Dr.Hallucination. Chasing the Rabbit. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,820	Any chance of giving a rough location as to where you founds these?ie Eastern/Western Canada,England/Scotland? I do not think they are P.semilanceata,the gill color is kind of off,as well as that spore print color,it may just be from the photographs though?,I could be wrong,but I am pretty sure they are not.Take a look through my thread and compare your findings. http://forums.mycotopia.net/wild-mus...ilanceata.html (Psilocybe semilanceata.) __________________ The man who walk's through the door on the wall,Will never be quite the same,As the man who went out.

11-07-09, 11:09	#6 (permalink)
Dr.Hallucination. Chasing the Rabbit. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,820	Did the stems just snap,or were they fairly bendable?You can almost tie a P.semilanceata stem in a knot.This is a good indicator of being a semilanceata,that and the pellicle as paph has mentioned. __________________ The man who walk's through the door on the wall,Will never be quite the same,As the man who went out.

11-07-09, 11:52	#8 (permalink)
Dr.Hallucination. Chasing the Rabbit. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,820	I agree with you completely jason_,I have seen semilanceata in so many shapes sizes and colors its ridiculous,which is why they can be quite difficult to identify from a photo. __________________ The man who walk's through the door on the wall,Will never be quite the same,As the man who went out.

11-07-09, 08:46	#2 (permalink)
teesus alzheimer Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 482	those resemble P.semilanceata. fresh semilanceatas don't bruise easy. check the base of the dryed stems for blueing.

11-07-09, 10:16	#3 (permalink)
paph Corny Piskie Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 485	Do they have a stretchy,transparent pellicle (skin?), This is more easily noticeable when wet.

11-07-09, 22:41	#9 (permalink)
greenie Pot Farmer Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,560	they really look like liberty caps to me... do the caps fade to a lighter tan as they dry? __________________ I am not real. I am a computer program.

11-07-09, 23:03	#10 (permalink)
mjshroomer Mycotopiate Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,787	Those are definitely P. strictipes/ mjshroomer1

11-08-09, 14:21	#12 (permalink)
paph Corny Piskie Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 485	The dose for P. Strictipes would be the same as P. Semilanceata: 20-30= 2/3g of P.Cubensis. I have had mild effects from as little as 5-7 fresh mushrooms. If you are going to eat them just eat a few to start with, Just to be safe. Always remember that eating any wild mushroom carries a risk.

11-08-09, 14:55	#13 (permalink)
ethnobotanica Mycotopiate Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 680	Nice find __________________ "Trying to define yourself is like trying to bite your own teeth."

11-08-09, 18:04	#15 (permalink)
ethnobotanica Mycotopiate Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 680	They look like every pic of strictipes that I have seen. I would eat anything that MJ told me was safe. He knows his stuff. __________________ "Trying to define yourself is like trying to bite your own teeth."

11-18-09, 06:22	#16 (permalink)
jason_ Dirty South Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 164	Hi All- Thanks for all the responces everyone! I have made some prints of these specimins at ethnobotanica's request, so if anyone else who has posted in this thread would like a sample to study please use the handy inter-dimensional PM system and drop me a line. Prints are on the house, but please remember they are wild prints and will likely take some 'cleaning' before use... -Jason __________________ γνῶθι σεαυτόν Generosity is the virtue which produces peace.

11-18-09, 08:58	#17 (permalink)
ethnobotanica Mycotopiate Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 680	Excellent! Nice one J Peace bro __________________ "Trying to define yourself is like trying to bite your own teeth."

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